Thread: Difficulty format for Normal and Savage will remain in 4.0

Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

Perhaps a more apt comparison would be Bloodborne; a notoriously difficult game. Despite being touted for being brutally punishing, you can make mistakes during boss fights and still recover. From that point, it becomes a game of dodging and funneling a future need for Potions' Anonymous. Are you likely to bounce back? Probably not, but you can. Savage does not allow for those mistakes. You must play nearly perfect or you'll not only die, but wipe your entire group.

There is room for mistakes and recovery. Starting with really alot room in A5, getting lower and lower in the following turns. Our A5-7 kills in the last weeks were far away form playing close to perfect. They've looked awful. But they still were kills. If there would be no room for recovery, we would not get into A8 each week.

Originally Posted by KarstenS

There is room for mistakes and recovery. Starting with really alot room in A5, getting lower and lower in the following turns. Our A5-7 kills in the last weeks were far away form playing close to perfect. They've looked awful. But they still were kills. If there would be no room for recovery, we would not get into A8 each week.

"Team jump rope": It is possible to continue/recover when one falls, but that's very rare to happen!
Your Example doesn't hit the point because AS5-AS7 is not designed for a full iLvL240 party

Originally Posted by Brian_

It's not rare at all. You are either lying or completely oblivious to the truth. You can mess up a lot and still clear.

wtf you are talking?
Have you never done team rope jumping?
Either the one who falls rolls out or gets trampled from the others, if not from the others the one gets hit from the rope!
One way is that the 2 who swing the rope doing an extra long swing to give more time for rolling out or to slow down the swing a bit if possible...
Well, that's not something you can do inexperienced, in most of the times you just stop to prevent hurting anyone!
Depending how far your team made it the others jumping will be interrupted from their timing (you sync by music) and mostly fall too then!

Its rare enough to recover that way, but look at competitions where you have the "real deal" with jumping in and out when using more than 4 ropes and 6 men...
Youtube-Video German Team Rope Skipping Tournament
Youtube-Video Chinese Circus


@Karsten:
I wonder where we talked about "your" static, i thought we were talking in general about the playerbase and content

Originally Posted by Kallera

(..) So its "forgiving" if you are in the top percentage of world first players? How convienient for them, but the majority of us are not going to be in that percentile. (..)

Originally Posted by Yukiko

I wonder where we talked about "your" static, i thought we were talking in general about the playerbase and content

It was about the question: "is it possible to recover?"

We were able to recover even with less than min iLvl. We are no world/datacenter/server first group or close to them.

This is the proof for the answer being: Yes.

Originally Posted by KarstenS

(..) We are no world/datacenter/server first group or close to them. (..)

Thats where you are wrong, from the viewpoint of "Kallera" as example you ARE near server first kill groups!
You said yourself "we reach AS8 each week"... that makes your group one of the very few who actually can REACH that level...
Sure, you can lower the viepoint when saying you just compare with all groups who reach AS8, then your group isnt near the top because you havnt cleard yet...

Its like saying you are at rank 250 of 5000 (one server)
Or if you say you are at rank 250 of 500 (those who can reach AS8)
While compared with the server you are on top ranks, its is a bit different when comparing with the others

Originally Posted by Yukiko

Your Example doesn't hit the point because AS5-AS7 is not designed for a full iLvL240 party

This was not the question.

And: Currently everybody, who wants to raid, should be 240. Not 240 BiS, but 240. So what should be wrong with my opinion? I'm (nearly) in the same boat gear wise, like everybody else. Even before City of Mhach everybody could "overgear" A5 and A6 without doing them.

BTW2: At our first A5S kill we were beolow the minimum iLvl the (later introduced) raidfinder is showing and even then the kill wasn't without mistakes and recovery.