Thread: Difficulty format for Normal and Savage will remain in 4.0

I honestly cant understand why they introduced the raid loot lockout feature when i was under the impression it was supposed to change whether people could re participate(remember first coil locked you out of participation in the previous turns if you cleared, or even so much entered a higher instance with someone whose progress was further) but then the incentive for going back is less loot upon clear or no loot if a couple people have done it before for the week, which would make bringing someone who cleared undesirable at the least, its strange to me as it seems illusory compromise at the least. Ir seems like a very unattractive feature even when introduced as now you can go back and help people with the content sorta

Originally Posted by ADVSS

I honestly cant understand why they introduced the raid loot lockout feature when i was under the impression it was supposed to change whether people could re participate(remember first coil locked you out of participation in the previous turns if you cleared, or even so much entered a higher instance with someone whose progress was further) but then the incentive for going back is less loot upon clear or no loot if a couple people have done it before for the week, which would make bringing someone who cleared undesirable at the least, its strange to me as it seems illusory compromise at the least. Ir seems like a very unattractive feature even when introduced as now you can go back and help people with the content sorta

I blame that on loot lock out being a thing before raid was introduce. Then to be fair, they stick to the same formula.

Originally Posted by ADVSS

Ir seems like a very unattractive feature even when introduced as now you can go back and help people with the content sorta

Because if you're struggling to find people who haven't yet cleared it, you may be perfectly happy with 1 or 0 chests when you just want the weekly page. If the restriction was "you can't look if you have your weekly clear" but still had the same number of chests, it would make run selling much more popular (guaranteed 2 drops for the carried).

Originally Posted by B0YRaNmA

You don't need to repeat, I understand the first time around.

However, it's only one group that get something and as we all know, no one group can takes it all. Gotta look at the bigger broader picture.

It really does not matter at this point. Raiding is dead in this game, raiders are not coming back.

Casual players are leaving in droves now too. The only reason this game has not gone free to play yet is that Yoshida knows that he can squeeze more money out of the die hard fans that have stuck around by keeping a sub model while having a cash shop.

I truly think this game is beyond redemption.

Originally Posted by zosia

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Unfortunately, 10% only accounts for a very small fraction of the community. Raids are not cheap content to develop and barely anyone participates. Their incentive to focus on raiding just isn't there. While you can cite innumerable flaws, few companies will take the initiative because it isn't profitable. Why cater to the 5-10% and hope that number grows, when you can cater to the greater majority and be reasonably assured they will stick around? Now that doesn't mean SE won't devote time to improving raids, but I doubt it will ever be a focal point.

And you "spitting in the face" of anyone only means whatever point you attempt to make will be further glossed over. One of the primary reasons I suspect the devs don't tend to look at these forums is because we're generally quite aggressive towards each other. You can only call someone an idiot or entitled so many times before they just stop hearing whatever you say, regardless of its merit.

Originally Posted by Archaell

It's simple - the revenue lost from few raiders taking a break after being overgeared is much smaller than revenue lost from the casuals which make bigger portion of the community.

As I said , casuals need only the crafted gear to do everything they want to do till the next patch. The worst thing that can happen to them is being kicked out of the farm parties for Ex primals, but hey, they can make their own groups or start learning the savage.

In my opinion the savage requires so much effort that the players deserve to farm the gear without the lockouts for all the hours they spend learning the content and their own jobs. On the other hand I have met bots doing the expert roulette - and finished the runs even with them. Why should the content that bots can do be rewarded with uncapped best gear?

I don't know why, but your suggestions seems to be giving off the self centered vibe...

While I agree that savage requires so much effort that they deserve to farm the gear, but since casual content is for casual shouldn't they also deserve to farm gears? Because of bots, you're taking it out on all players of other contents.

Originally Posted by Archaell

You are looking at it the wrong way.

There is a difference between "The group A gets something while the group B does not" and "everyone who does this content gets something". The main aim should be to motivate broader amount of players to do savage to justify the content costs and removing the lockouts is quite a big carrot that is easy to implement while it makes the content more party finder or raid finder friendly.

Wow, you guys fast to catch me before I deleted the post, since the original post got modified...

eww...."everyone who does this content gets something" is super flawed.

I agree the main aim should be to motivate broader amount of players to do savage. Removing lockout is a big carrots for everyone. By not locking out casual, they have the potential to try starting savage from a tier or two back and can catch up.