Thread: Difficulty format for Normal and Savage will remain in 4.0

Originally Posted by Sparktacus

okay, because you don't like the example given doesn't mean another can't take its place or it can't be refined further to fit whatever you are personally looking for. Also there is a fine line, and the glamor game will eventually in itself not be enough motivation for many. If you think it can last forever I will disagree here. It simply is not enough to sustain and engage the masses permanently.

It isn't, that is why the game has multiple forms of motivation and one of them is going to keep the interest of the end game player. It isn't just glamour that keeps people.

Originally Posted by Velhart

It isn't, that is why the game has multiple forms of motivation and one of them is going to keep the interest of the end game player. It isn't just glamour that keeps people.

What? Are we going in circles now because this whole discussion is based on how there is not enough motivation especially in endgame.

Let me add, that I was merely suggesting a means to a middle ground. There are people in here saying they don't as much care about the ilvl difference as much as the glamor and I was simply putting ideas out there to get in the right direction if that is truly the case.

Originally Posted by Cakekizyy

This puts the lie to all the statements I keep seeing about raiding for the challenge and not rewards.

Show me where I said that raiding was all about the challenge? Let me save you the search, I never have.... soooo alll you are really doing is taking my PERSONAL INDIVIDUAL statements and using that as some silly trump card against raiders in general. /golfclap

Originally Posted by zosia

Yoshida has already spelled out that we are going back to FCoB difficulty for raids

Not generally. Only for the last tier of alexander, as they are not able to change the roatations before 4.0.

As I don't remenber which thread exactly was discussing around steps of faith, but I dont see an issue with making story content more challanging at the start. They just could solve the discussions about difficulty by making it easier later and tell the player from the beginning when this will happen. This could for example within a black text box at the moment of unlocking the content:

The following content is currently more challanging. If you have trouble please be patient. We will make audjustments at <enter date here> to ensure everybody will be able to finish the story.

Originally Posted by KarstenS

Not generally. Only for the last tier of alexander, as they are not able to change the roatations before 4.0.

As I don't remenber which thread exactly was discussing around steps of faith, but I dont see an issue with making story content more challanging at the start. They just could solve the discussions about difficulty by making it easier later and tell the player from the beginning when this will happen. This could for example within a black text box at the moment of unlocking the content:

Why would they do that? It would just encourage people to just unsub until the next patch, which most people do now anyway for different reasons. You want people to stay in the game playing, not tell them to come back later if they can't clear something. Having in game text basically telling people "We know you will probably never be good enough, so go do something else until we enable easy mode" isn't going to win favors with anyone.

One of the main issues with savage in my opinion is that the content is both hard and basically static locked. Meaning that the progression is close to impossible outside of the static groups, and I am talking about loot restrictions not knowledge of fights, which is one of the main reasons behind the low percentage of players even trying it.

What would you think about this:

1. The savage being free of all the weekly loot restrictions.

2. The savage floors being added to the game gradually instead of at once.

Basically something like this: 3.4 A9S and A10S added, 3.45 A11S added, and lastly 3.5 A12S added to the game.

It would be still time-gated but in more accessible way while allowing easier movement of people between the groups.

Originally Posted by Archaell

One of the main issues with savage in my opinion is that the content is both hard and basically static locked. Meaning that the progression is close to impossible outside of the static groups, and I am talking about loot restrictions not knowledge of fights, which is one of the main reasons behind the low percentage of players even trying it.

What would you think about this:

1. The savage being free of all the weekly loot restrictions.

2. The savage floors being added to the game gradually instead of at once.

Basically something like this: 3.4 A9S and A10S added, 3.45 A11S added, and lastly 3.5 A12S added to the game.

It would be still time-gated but in more accessible way while allowing easier movement of people between the groups.

This is true...

1. Though they will need to remove all weekly loot restrictions for other dungeons also, since their loot systems is one of the core problems. Which they should, then make dungeon content lock behind puzzle difficulties and sufficient mob threats, so that dungeon doesn't get steam rolled. All they're doing to prevent steam rollers is putting up gate to slow it down, which people will just gate rush.

2. Don't think you'll need this if contents is challenging and difficult enough, with boss guarded.

I don't think Devs have a lot of room to make things challenging when all people wants to do is fight the boss, with the exception of primal.

Gonna go off the rail little and say that I understand casual have little time to play, but at current it is promoting cruise control...