Thread: Difficulty format for Normal and Savage will remain in 4.0

One of the main issues with savage in my opinion is that the content is both hard and basically static locked. Meaning that the progression is close to impossible outside of the static groups, and I am talking about loot restrictions not knowledge of fights, which is one of the main reasons behind the low percentage of players even trying it.

What would you think about this:

1. The savage being free of all the weekly loot restrictions.

2. The savage floors being added to the game gradually instead of at once.

Basically something like this: 3.4 A9S and A10S added, 3.45 A11S added, and lastly 3.5 A12S added to the game.

It would be still time-gated but in more accessible way while allowing easier movement of people between the groups.

Originally Posted by Archaell

One of the main issues with savage in my opinion is that the content is both hard and basically static locked. Meaning that the progression is close to impossible outside of the static groups, and I am talking about loot restrictions not knowledge of fights, which is one of the main reasons behind the low percentage of players even trying it.

What would you think about this:

1. The savage being free of all the weekly loot restrictions.

2. The savage floors being added to the game gradually instead of at once.

Basically something like this: 3.4 A9S and A10S added, 3.45 A11S added, and lastly 3.5 A12S added to the game.

It would be still time-gated but in more accessible way while allowing easier movement of people between the groups.

This is true...

1. Though they will need to remove all weekly loot restrictions for other dungeons also, since their loot systems is one of the core problems. Which they should, then make dungeon content lock behind puzzle difficulties and sufficient mob threats, so that dungeon doesn't get steam rolled. All they're doing to prevent steam rollers is putting up gate to slow it down, which people will just gate rush.

2. Don't think you'll need this if contents is challenging and difficult enough, with boss guarded.

I don't think Devs have a lot of room to make things challenging when all people wants to do is fight the boss, with the exception of primal.

Gonna go off the rail little and say that I understand casual have little time to play, but at current it is promoting cruise control...

Originally Posted by Synestra

But i always tought raiding was teamwork content you do with friends or atleast it used to be, i mean wheres the fun doing that stuff with peoples you dont know at all?

Right now you need exactly 8 same people to do the content with at the same time. You get as much raiding time as these 8 people are able to meet up. If one person clears the content outside of the group the group gets rewarded with less loot - slowing down the group's progression and making the rest of the team hostile, so this person can't sub anywhere else decreasing the chance for the other people to clear the content.

Raiding outside of the static groups creates problems, replacing missing people even when the other 7 can raid creates also problems, and forming statics compoused of more than 8 people to get more raiding time is punishing the overall progression of the group.

The result is that players are locked inside of the statics and that is bad.

For example our FC has two statics right now. Due to the loot restrictions when someone is missing in the static 1 the raid has to be either cancalled or some random person with similar progression found somewhere else - even tho there would be xx other players from the static 2 able to sub for the missing person were they not loot locked to their own static group...

This is a huge problem which should be fixed to make raiding more accessible.

Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

Without weekly restrictions, people will farm within a few weeks and have no reason to continue subbing.

That's why I suggested to add the floors through patches instead of at once - making sure that the players stay sub in a different way. Basically cutting that big hole at the end of the season and putting the pieces between the patches.

Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

Aye. But like I said, there is still too much of a gap. Patch 3.5 would not release until at least two months following 3.45. And with Savage, itself, lasting a full six months. Raiders would be better off waiting a few months since they have no need to worry about missing gear for a week.

What about adding achievements for each floor and nerfing the older floors slightly when the new ones are added? Raiders usually hate clearing nerfed content so it should motivate them to stay subbed.

Originally Posted by B0YRaNmA

1. Though they will need to remove all weekly loot restrictions for other dungeons also...

In my opinion removing the loot restrictions only in the savage content would be one of the biggest motivations for the players to do it - so removing the loot restrictions in the easy content would be counterproductive.