Thread: Difficulty format for Normal and Savage will remain in 4.0

Originally Posted by zosia

Well, to answer you question, for me at least, exclusive rewards.

This puts the lie to all the statements I keep seeing about raiding for the challenge and not rewards.

Originally Posted by zosia

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I wish I could just take all of your posts, translate them into japanese, and mail them right to Yoshi P. You are so on the money.

One thing I would add though is that there is somehow more incentive to normal mode than savage, even without the far higher accessibility. NM should not have gear progression that is required by raiders, and instead offer something along the lines of rare glamour and minion drops, independent of savage, or even tie it into the relic from the get go. I feel like another aspect of the NM/savage debate is that raiders are burnt out with the aesthetic and bosses of alexander before they even step foot into savage, which doesnt help the lack of rewards or fight difficulty when it comes to participation and enjoyment.

It will be funny to see players who don't pull their weight trying Palace of the Dead 101-200 and whine for nerf
But no way, there is no excuses of gear or static (and no story). Here just skills prevail.
I hope it will train people to be better.
I have the feeling it will be our horizontal progression content if the rewards can follow.
To be honest, I have more faith in these last floors to be the most hardest content in this game, more than the last tier of Alexander savage ^^

After reading some of these replies going back and forth, I must ask a question of; why are people trying to proof each others wrong? Also, what's with the, if I can get my voice the loudest and the last, I'm right attitude? Both side have a suggestions and it's equally right for both side to make a suggest without someone coming in and saying "You're wrong." Please keep an open mind and STOP shunning others suggestion.

Originally Posted by B0YRaNmA

Both side have a suggestions and it's equally right for both side to make a suggest without someone coming in and saying "You're wrong." Please keep an open mind and STOP shunning others suggestion.

It's reasonable for someone to voice objections to a suggestion that would significantly alter some part of the game that they enjoy in its current form.

Obviously there's a respectful (or at least cordial) way to do so, but if I said (for pure point of example, I don't believe for a moment that it's the case) that either normal or savage mode is the clear and obvious problem with end game and it must be removed, I don't think it would be reasonable to expect someone who is glad that the applicable mode exists to just "keep an open mind" about that.

Originally Posted by B0YRaNmA

You disagree, you don't do anything and reply to the thread with what you believe should be the opposite.
If there's a specific counter that you want to do, quote that specific area and follow up with maybe two or three more counter arguments (have pity on those that truly wants to follows the thread for possibly and pure innovative ideas).

That's how most, if not all, of these arguments and back-and-forth started at one point though. Usually several threads ago.

I know a lot of the people in this thread (and some other regulars who haven't shown up in here yet) have gone back and forth on some of this stuff in a least a half dozen threads before because:

1. We have different (sometimes wildly so) opinions on both what motivates people at end game and on what a good end game structure would involve.
2. We're all pretty stubborn and convinced that our answer is at least mostly correct and the other person must just be missing some key point of our argument, and if we can just find the right way to phrase it, obviously they'll come around to our point of view.

So what may have started out as a reasonable conversation has just escalated over time.