Elitist Attitudes in Expert Roulette

[Shurrikhan]

So you use a parser to decide who to kick? The official rules don't apply to you, yet your arbitrary rules apply to everyone else?

This is the reason SE won't add a proper parser anytime soon (or ever). This exact attitude.

I could do the same thing by looking at their rotations, given that I also play the job, and if I've had at least the observed player's rate of burning down mobs, percent enmity within a given raid dps (so, chunk of that damage dealt), and completion of mechanics by which to have a basis for thinking that my judgement is valid. As a tank or another dps, it's very easy to tell if someone isn't doing what their health pool (ilvl unless vit-acc'ed) says they ought to be. If they're failing to hold up their share, they become a candidate, in my mind, for a kick. That said, I'm very, very unlikely to kick someone just for low output as long as (1) they're willing to take and use advice and (2) we can still clear eventually.

All the parser does is make performance apparent to people not experienced with the job being observed, so that far fewer people are making baseless assumptions (which can still get people kicked just as easily, though less fairly). If one's looking only at the numbers, and not how the lower-performing player is doing all the mechanics, carrying the higher-output player, then you have an issue similar to the narrow-minded "that's not my role" complaints or the like (most often given by those without parsers, or parsing only themselves instead of looking at how they can most boost raid damage as a whole).

[VargasVermillion]

So you use a parser to decide who to kick? The official rules don't apply to you, yet your arbitrary rules apply to everyone else?

This is the reason SE won't add a proper parser anytime soon (or ever). This exact attitude.

Or people could take the criticism and learn to play their class properly, this mentality of "I play how I want" is why they are making classes easier in 4.0.

[Nyghtmarerobu]

Just adding my 2 gil..

I take a good look at my parser.

Parsers can be great tools, but I'm going to let you know right now, that if you kick people, and somebody decides to report you, you could be banned for votekick abuse. Just because someone isn't preforming as well as they could and is legitemtly trying, doesn't mean they deserve the boot.

So you use a parser to decide who to kick? The official rules don't apply to you, yet your arbitrary rules apply to everyone else? This is the reason SE won't add a proper parser anytime soon (or ever). This exact attitude.

This 100%. We keep asking SE for an in-game parse, yet, when people use it for things like this, I can understand why they keep telling us no...

Or people could take the criticism and learn to play their class properly, this mentality of "I play how I want" is why they are making classes easier in 4.0.

This is true, but at the same time, that is up to the person to decide if they want to become better or not. You can't force people to want to get better.

there's no reason to kick someone unless you're in danger not clearing the content.

Yay someone got it.

[FoxyAreku]

I did have one healer in sohr khai that refused to heal me even though I didn't say anything or do anything out of the ordinary all run (was machinist). That's the only run in with toxic behavior I've had though. ?_?

[Nekotee]

I I can't be bothered to run with people that half ass their job and then sit there, finding excuses why they didn't do the adds. Leyline in your case... dumbest thing I've ever heard, you know where the adds spawn, position yourself that you can do both.

That mean you did not read what i wrote

I said I do not afford to go out my leyline to push them
As Blm i insta kill them with Fire IV and it's easy to place myself on a side to have them all in sight

So as i said, i help the killing (especially mogsun) but no in the middle of leylined full Fire enochian no i won't run around scathing thing out of the regen circle
All healer have blizzard II which is the best in this situation

[The_Last_Dragoon]

At least these elitists are the minority, and I would bargain that they probably don't find too much enjoyment in this game. I personally have a pet peeve against elitist tanks and I try all the time to go against that stereotype.

[Critical-Limit]

Helping a newbie sprout do Haukke Manor for the first time. Had someone /doze anytime we stopped to explain mechanics.

[MilesSaintboroguh]

Helping a newbie sprout do Haukke Manor for the first time. Had someone /doze anytime we stopped to explain mechanics.

It's sad how people expect everyone to know everything or have watched a guide for everything. I mean, do you really need a video on how to do a level 20+ dungeon? and most of the time, mechanics can be explained in one paragraph. People berate newbies for not knowing anything, yet they'll lash out against anyone actually trying to explain stuff to prevent wipes.

[Garotte14]

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I tend to agree. I'm not really one for kicking people in 99% of circumstances. I will always attempt to politely inform or train someone. If they are willing to take any criticism, then I feel good about it and hopefully they appreciate the help. It's usually only when I'm told to mind my business or, "I play how I want," that I'll initiate a kick.

But to your point. There is no excuse to not do mechanics. I main BLM and I'm a hardcore raider. In my static, we can work out which mechanics I should ignore for the better of my damage and the team as a whole, but when you're in a dungeon pug you have no excuse. If you are purposefully handicapping the run because you refuse to do a mechanic, then you are the problem and should be removed. Leylines is no excuse to not attack an add. If you have that mindset in an MMO, then you deserve every vote kick you get.

[Yuella]

there's no reason to kick someone unless you're in danger not clearing the content.