Healers

[Noutaja]

I have to disagree, on chaos the thing is, if you get a new healer you are dead. its a cetain lose. Proper DPS makes up for it but the outcome seems to be inevitable. And judging from the top ranking players they mostly play healer. Healer is the class you can carry with, atleast on chaos. This is my perception only though. Just pointing out what seems certain to me from my personal experience.
Edit: Its possible the problem only shows itself in very small 4v4 queues (midnight chaos queue). But perhaps this is the problem also in general. Only steps out during low player queues.

[Caitlyn]

The problem especially on Chaos is, that there are no healers left. That means that even experienced DPS and Tanks will get new healers, because no one want to play as a healer.

Being a (new) healer in Feast means to be an easy target for any other players (WAR can one shot you, if you re not looking) and you get blamed for anything, even when your DPS made mistakes (like running away from your healing range).

Please correct me, but there are 2 types of healers right now: Gold healers and new healers. The team with the gold healer wins : /

The biggest issue is, that there are NO alternatives to Feast.

Que Frontlines: over 30 minutes
Que Feast 8v8 (even as healer): over 30 minutes
Que Feast 4v4 unranked: over 30 minutes (I didnt believed it, but its true)
Que Feast Solo 4v4 ranked: instant

Solo-Feast is the ONLY way to get into PvP on Chaos. And that is pretty sad. I mean, I want to learn and earn some experience but instead, I m going to risk the ranks of my other (random) teammembers, which isnt fair.

Having some kind of practise mode would be nice. On Shiva, there is NO PvP-Mentor and NO PvP-Linkshell. So, you have to learn it the hard way T_T

[TiramisuMacaron]

Please correct me, but there are 2 types of healers right now: Gold healers and new healers. The team with the gold healer wins : /

Not true on Primal, we have 0 Plat healers right now... And I'd be Plat if I won every game on the account of being a Gold healer. We get 50k melee dps and 40k ranged dps on our team (8 minute match ofc), even new healers can heal that. It's just easier to cry about new healers because you lose almost instantly. As a gold healer, I know I am going to lose a match right when I see my team sometimes, I just have to wait 8 minutes to actually see the ending screen.

New healers who are that terrible usually give up after a few games, you see terrible melee for months because they have no idea how bad they actually are.

[TiaHariberux3]

Not true on Primal, we have 0 Plat healers right now... And I'd be Plat if I won every game on the account of being a Gold healer. We get 50k melee dps and 40k ranged dps on our team (8 minute match ofc), even new healers can heal that. It's just easier to cry about new healers because you lose almost instantly. As a gold healer, I know I am going to lose a match right when I see my team sometimes, I just have to wait 8 minutes to actually see the ending screen.

New healers who are that terrible usually give up after a few games, you see terrible melee for months because they have no idea how bad they actually are.

This person is on a EU server so he probably only talking how it is there. I played on NA and EU while NA is alot about good dps its on eu mostly a gamble of healer (only very few can even heal on a "okay" level).

[aeoncs]

This person is on a EU server so he probably only talking how it is there. I played on NA and EU while NA is alot about good dps its on eu mostly a gamble of healer (only very few can even heal on a "okay" level).

Even though I have very limited Feast experience so far, I can agree with this. You either see really good healers (which is the case most of the time) or really bad/new ones who quickly lose interest for different reasons, just to be replaced by the next batch.
I think last night I encountered one of the very few decent healers who are still learning but show potential; but if you want to see more of those, you'd need a proper matchmaking and quite some players to change their attitude towards new PvPers, healers in general.

Overall I don't think that healing needs to be changed, I've won quite a few matches with new healers just because the enemy team had underperforming DDs, the matchmaking is the problem. Being a new healer in the current state just isn't fun and discourages most from even trying.

[Noutaja]

The worst situation for me personally, is when I am with unranked team members (as gold tank), going against another unranked team with a gold healer. The situation is much better for the healer than as for the tank. I cannot be the only one who sees this, any other tanks around who feel this way?

This is always the situation when Im losing hundreds of points if not ranks. Quite annoying tbh.

[TiramisuMacaron]

The worst situation for me personally, is when I am with unranked team members (as gold tank), going against another unranked team with a gold healer. The situation is much better for the healer than as for the tank. I cannot be the only one who sees this, any other tanks around who feel this way?

This is always the situation when Im losing hundreds of points if not ranks. Quite annoying tbh.

There is your problem...
Tanks have the least effect on the outcome of a game imo... see my other post: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...anks-and-Feast

[Februs]

The situation is much better for the healer than as for the tank. I cannot be the only one who sees this, any other tanks around who feel this way?

The problem is that Tanks are kind of sandwiched in the middle of dps and heals. They're not dps, and they're not healers. They're support, and, unfortunately, that support isn't always needed or adequate. If the dps is weak, then there's not a lot that the tank can do to carry them. They can try, but they can only carry so far. If the healer is weak, then it's the same deal. The tank can't really do anything to save the team if the healer buckles. They can make the healer's job a little easier, but they can't carry them.

[aeoncs]

The worst situation for me personally, is when I am with unranked team members (as gold tank), going against another unranked team with a gold healer. The situation is much better for the healer than as for the tank. I cannot be the only one who sees this, any other tanks around who feel this way?

This doesn't only affect tanks, though. Granted, tanks have it even worse than DDs but this scenario is a free win for the gold healer 90+% of the time; the remaining 10~% consist of unranked players who still somewhat know what they're doing on the other team.

No matter what, if there's a huge skill gap between healers, the better one usually (!) wins, unless the gap between the other 3 players is even bigger. But that doesn't really mean that healers are too strong, just that the matchmaking sometimes makes it seem that way. I don't really see a fix to this other than The Feast becoming considerably more active/popular and having the "luxury" of only matching you with players of your own skill level - e.g. high gold rated players only playing other golds and platinum; that's how it should work at least, it's simply not possible in the current state.
So from time to time you will have those matches that you simply cannot win.

[Synestra]

Solo-Feast is the ONLY way to get into PvP on Chaos.

Lastnight after midnight Shatter had almost if not insta ques and all matches were 72mans, tho it seemed it was mostly premade vs premade vs premade and it lasted approx 3 hours untill it went back to 24man and 20min+ ques and this is where i stopped and went to bed so not sure if it kept going after that. And i must admit it was pretty fun for 72man as most matches were pretty even and player quality was better than usually.