If DRG could have a wyvern and high DPS

[Efrye]

it don't matter what way you word it ppl would prefer dragoon without the wyvern

This thread speaks otherwise. According to the poll, roughly 30% have no problem with wyverns. Of the remaining 70%, at least half appears to be against them only because their brain can't handle the fact that it's possible to implement a pet that can't die from AoEs, nor hold back the dragoon, nor require insane amounts of balancing.

So there are actually more people who don't have any problems with wyvern, as long as they are implemented correctly.

[Synapse]

Dev should watch what they say... just because they added the extra bit about weakening lancer in order to accommedate Wyvern was enough for majority to hate the Wyvern idea. I love the idea of having a pet wyvern, it makes LNC stand out from GLA and MRD..these 3 classes already share 95% of the gear....

IMO,
When Wyvern is fighting beside, damage is shared, meaning 85% dmg by LNC and 15% by Wyvern.
Pro: Overall accuracy/damage is shared between both, possibly higher than a LNC w/o Wyvern.
Con: Wyvern receives damage. Auto-regen or Spirit Link(ffxi) sort of ability is needed.

When there is no Wyvern beside, LNC is 100% damage.
Pro/Con: Overall Accuracy and Attack is up to you. You miss an attack on turn, u get 0/1 unlike, LNC with wyvern, where an single turn is 2 attacks, so if the LNC misses and wyvern hits, u atleast get .15/1.

[Mairuzu]

no blade is a vampire himself ;D does a hunter in WoW have a pet`? does a beastmaster have a pet? does the warlock have a pet? blablabla*

does it make the hunter or warlock gimped? hell no. on the opposite

Yeah blade is a vampire himself just like freya had dragon breath abilities.

[Esk]

This thread speaks otherwise. According to the poll, roughly 30% have no problem with wyverns. Of the remaining 70%, at least half appears to be against them only because their brain can't handle the fact that it's possible to implement a pet that can't die from AoEs, nor hold back the dragoon, nor require insane amounts of balancing.

So there are actually more people who don't have any problems with wyvern, as long as they are implemented correctly.

lol at the math, thats based off 1 poll with less then 1/4 of the vots of the main poll that was for or against.
your assuming at least for a large part the reasons behind the votes without a forced answer from all involved.
I only read some of the post so maybe your right but i somehow doubt it really, but anyway i could as easily assume that most of the people that want a wyvern is cos they played XI and want a fixed FFXI version of DRG in FFXIV.
(which is as bad an assumption as yours almost)

The list of reasons against having a pet are fairly more numerous (based on the other thread) then the pro ones.
An the most common reason i have seen across all threads is that the majority want a DRG based of the many FF DRG's that didnt have a pet, not the single DRG from XI that did.

But yes people have tried to argue technical reasons, as the pro crowed has been throwing up such comments and fix's since the the "we want" Vs "we don't want" augment went against them in terms of pure numbers long ago.


But for me you want DRG to have a wyvern then that should be its primary weapon not its lance an make it a full on pet class, but also imo as i like the lore we have.
When ever your pet is out you should be hunted down and killed by members of Ishgard.

[TheFatHousecat]

Do not want pet class. No matter how well it's done, giving DRG a wyvern seems gimmick-y at the end of the day.

[NadienKirisame]

This thread speaks otherwise. According to the poll, roughly 30% have no problem with wyverns. Of the remaining 70%, at least half appears to be against them only because their brain can't handle the fact that it's possible to implement a pet that can't die from AoEs, nor hold back the dragoon, nor require insane amounts of balancing.

So there are actually more people who don't have any problems with wyvern, as long as they are implemented correctly.

Actually I think what you said is wrong not just in the way you want to lash out blindly and attack the other side for not wanting the wyvern but for the fact that most of them probably just want the traditional... say it with me TRADITIONAL DRG with the trademark DRG abilities/items such as the draconic looking armor, lance/pole arm type weapon and the jump ability... also thrown in the not as trademark but still has been in several FF games where the DRG is sort of infused with draconic powers and can use dragon type breath attacks. I think that is what most of the no wyvern group wish for... though I can't really speak for them all and I really wont that is just my opinion and how I see it from looking at these threads.

Though really I'm sure both side will say this and that and the fighting will go on... because well lets face it that what you humans do best right... fight each other...

The cat is bemused =-.-=

[grandm]

Actually I think what you said is wrong not just in the way you want to lash out blindly and attack the other side for not wanting the wyvern but for the fact that most of them probably just want the traditional... say it with me TRADITIONAL DRG with the trademark DRG abilities/items such as the draconic looking armor, lance/pole arm type weapon and the jump ability... also thrown in the not as trademark but still has been in several FF games where the DRG is sort of infused with draconic powers and can use dragon type breath attacks. I think that is what most of the no wyvern group wish for... though I can't really speak for them all and I really wont that is just my opinion and how I see it from looking at these threads.

Though really I'm sure both side will say this and that and the fighting will go on... because well lets face it that what you humans do best right... fight each other...

The cat is bemused =-.-=

not something i ever thought i would be saying. but the cat understands

give me a spear, give me jump, give me cool looking armour. call me highwind and i'll lv up lancer
give it a wyvern. and i'll set up a linkshelll called "no dragoons allowed"

[Aion]

This thread speaks otherwise. According to the poll, roughly 30% have no problem with wyverns. Of the remaining 70%, at least half appears to be against them only because their brain can't handle the fact that it's possible to implement a pet that can't die from AoEs, nor hold back the dragoon, nor require insane amounts of balancing.

So there are actually more people who don't have any problems with wyvern, as long as they are implemented correctly.

good way to put words on our mouth

[Rydin]

I'm derailing a bit here, so I'm not talking concretely about drg in this post.

What success is or isn't is relative, but you can't deny that it was a success in sales, subs and stable population over many years, heck the fact that it's been going for almost 10 years and is still adding content and taking in subscriptions fees is a success in itself.

I realize that FFXIV is still in a young stage, but the fact that they made the game F2P over so many months says that it didn't even meet the company expectations. This game was so close to failing that they had to take great measures, 2 years after it's original release is when the game reboots.

Obviously they have something to learn from FFXI, not talking about porting ideas raw from FFXI to XIV, but to a certain extend they already know what kept us busy, what kept us playing and what kept us paying. Take what made FFXI good, build on it, renovate, take it to the next level and when it feels right then implement it. What better way to attain success than building on your own previous success.

In terms of sales, it paled in comparison to offline FF titles....
What do you expect, mainstream games like console/PC games that aren't MMOs sell in large numbers because the playerbase is enormous compared to MMOs. Just look at the sale figures for FFXIII. WoW might be the only exception.

I agree with all of that.. FFXI was great... I'm just know that originally SE seemed like they were not satisfied with just profitable and wanted those mainstream numbers...
Which arguably caused many of the early, rushed problems

[TheFatHousecat]

This thread speaks otherwise. According to the poll, roughly 30% have no problem with wyverns. Of the remaining 70%, at least half appears to be against them only because their brain can't handle the fact that it's possible to implement a pet that can't die from AoEs, nor hold back the dragoon, nor require insane amounts of balancing.

So there are actually more people who don't have any problems with wyvern, as long as they are implemented correctly.

Nop...................