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    Having recently farmed a few of the beginning dungeons?

    Actually yeah, I can agree. Enmity is kinda scarce. Keep in mind, I know what I'm doing on all three tanks, but the last few times I've tanked pre-30 dungeons, it's felt like a struggle to keep my enmity lead (especially with an ACN/SCH/SMN or BLM that knows what they're doing). I think there should be some challenge there, and I can't remember if it was this way in 2.x or not, but I don't feel like I should be having to spam Flash/Unleash/Overpower half a dozen times to get a stable enmity lead. Asking people to wait for three sunders isn't going to work here. I don't think it should be a walk in the park, but I do feel like it's likely very unforgiving, especially to new tanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jpec07 View Post
    I don't feel like I should be having to spam Flash/Unleash/Overpower half a dozen times to get a stable enmity lead.
    I don't feel like I should have to use defiance in my level 60 opener but hey we all make sacrifices.
    Spamming your enmity aoe is simply your low level rotation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Canadane View Post
    I don't feel like I should have to use defiance in my level 60 opener but hey we all make sacrifices.
    Spamming your enmity aoe is simply your low level rotation.
    My only problem with this sentiment is that I was having to do this as a geared player in level sync, which means full blue quality gear. Even this level of spamming didn't quite feel adequate. For people in leveling whites plus dungeon drops and/or vendor stuff? They're gonna struggle.

    I also feel like that's not a good way to think about it, as it seems like kind of a naturalistic fallacy. Yes, that's how it is now, but is that really how it should be? Shouldn't low-level dungeons teach you baseline skills for how to approach content at higher levels, rather than spamming a win button and praying to RNGesus that no one crits?
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    Claire Pendragon
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    Quote Originally Posted by winsock View Post
    For example, if a player hasnt updated their gear for sastasha and does just fine due to tank stance, i cant say i really expect that they will update their gear for copperbell, tam-tara, etc.
    Honestly as a tank, with a tank stance, 2 AoEs, and never touching my threat combo at all.. heck sometimes i can auto attack, and i have perfect threat. (mainly as WAR, as I tend to sprint more often than I should, to keep my wrath stacks up, I'm an overly defensive tank, rather than offensive)

    As for the gear example, unless they dont do dungeons, gear is going to drop to them eventually, so its kinda hard to "not gear up" unless they are starting fresh, like Lv15, or as DRK at Lv30.
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