3.4 Changes to Face Targeting System

**Rongway** · 08-28-2016 03:28 AM

The face target feature will become inaccessible while moving. This is in order to remove difference between different platforms. For casters, if the enemy moves your character will face the direction of the target’s current position. However, in situations where you need to face away from the target, players will not be able to simply turn around due to the auto-attack changes, therefore, you would either need to sheathe your weapon, or cancel targeting.

This sounds like a terrible change that is a side effect of an unecessary change (removal of facing requirement on auto-attacks), especially without a dedicated Sheathe Weapon (only) keybind.

I'll need to think about this some more but I was wondering what thoughts others had on the matter.

Edit:

To clarify, as a caster my primary concern is being certain that I'm not getting hit with a gaze attack. The way things are currently, as soon as my cast resolves, I turn around and wait for the gaze to resolve. It sounds like with the 3.4 changes, I will have to turn around and sheathe my weapon. Turning around is one thing; as soon as I hit the back button, I am definitely turned around. But if I am also compelled to sheathe my weapon, I argue that I should have a button whose sole function is that it sheathes, and only sheathes, my weapon--not a button that will maybe pull my weapon back out when I want it away.

Gaze attacks have a certain charm from being a believable mechanic -- the thing prepares to appear horrifying, the players turn away to avoid the horror. Adding the extra requirement of disengaging detracts from that charm, as would the other possible interpretation of the quoted text where one might no longer have to turn around at all, but just disengage. In either case, I'm not a fan of this coming change.

**Ametrine** · 08-28-2016 03:37 AM

The R3 button is a snap unsheath on controller, so there must be a way to do it on keyboard.

**birdy_reene** · 08-28-2016 03:42 AM

On a keyboard, the keybind to sheath and unsheathe ur weapon is the Z key

**StrejdaTom** · 08-28-2016 03:51 AM

I don't know, in my opinion it is a bit unnecessary change.
All the gamepad players I know even the ones from my static didn't ever mention having problems with it.
But it didn't change much for me, so if it helps others, I really don't mind.

**TiaHariberux3** · 08-28-2016 04:33 AM

Originally Posted by StrejdaTom

I don't know, in my opinion it is a bit unnecessary change.
All the gamepad players I know even the ones from my static didn't ever mention having problems with it.
But it didn't change much for me, so if it helps others, I really don't mind.

The thing is people made facetarget macros (mostly in pvp) which lead to hitting autoattacks more often which was unfair to others (controller players for example). Also they removed autoface while moving because people for example popped raw intuition while spamming their macro (mostly auto with mouse) to run away while parrying everything (just a example).

**MaeIsMean** · 08-28-2016 08:42 AM

Originally Posted by TiaHariberux3

The thing is people made facetarget macros (mostly in pvp) which lead to hitting autoattacks more often which was unfair to others (controller players for example). Also they removed autoface while moving because people for example popped raw intuition while spamming their macro (mostly auto with mouse) to run away while parrying everything (just a example).

I love when PVP changes affect PVE. It's my favorite.

Anyway, everyone plays a little different, and this change looks like it will affect me at least a little. Going to check out the keybind section because I evidently missed a keybind that will turn you away from a mob.

**TiaHariberux3** · 08-28-2016 05:10 PM

Originally Posted by MaeIsMean

I love when PVP changes affect PVE. It's my favorite.

Anyway, everyone plays a little different, and this change looks like it will affect me at least a little. Going to check out the keybind section because I evidently missed a keybind that will turn you away from a mob.

Its not purely for pvp and dont see any problem in pve with these changes. Its not intended to show your front to your enemy while running away its a bug dunno why ppl complain about the fix

**Naunet** · 08-29-2016 01:50 AM

This seems a bit of a silly change... But weird and convoluted is SE's way apparently...

**Nikkita** · 08-28-2016 03:52 AM

I'd actually like some clarification on what it means by

The face target feature will become inaccessible while moving.

As a bard there are times you briefly (and I mean VERY brief like maybe 1 or 2 GCD's MAX) drop out of Wanderer's Minuet so that you can still attack and move. Or I've heard of the use of Feint on MCH to do something like this as well since it doesn't make you "cast". Does this mean I no longer can attack and move even out of Wanderer's? what part of the feature are they speaking of? Because there is an actual game setting and a command. Being that I'm in Wanderer's 99% of the time the auto-attack thing is rather irrelevant to me but I truly don't follow exactly what they mean by "feature inaccessible."

**birdy_reene** · 08-28-2016 03:59 AM

Originally Posted by Nikkita

I'd actually like some clarification on what it means by -snip- Does this mean I no longer can attack and move even out of Wanderer's? what part of the feature are they speaking of? Because there is an actual game setting and a command. Being that I'm in Wanderer's 99% of the time the auto-attack thing is rather irrelevant to me but I truly don't follow exactly what they mean by "feature inaccessible."

I main bard also, and I forget what the original keybinding is (im on pc) but I have it set to button on the side of my mouse now. and it causes me to untarget the enemy and about face (turn around). I just keep the camera pointed at the enemy, as soon as the gaze attack is over, I hit tab to retarget and just have at it spraying my attacks at it. only people I could see this new feature screwing with his controller peeps.

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