Patch 3.4 - Soul Surrender

**Cilia** · 09-19-2016 10:17 AM

When playing it at-level, Xande's Float will one-shot anyone if they get hit by it solo. The leftover energy being usable for floating on to avoid Ancient Quaga is an unforseen consequence, much like how King Behemoth's Comets can be used to take shelter from his Ecliptic Meteor.

... really, sometimes you just have to give them a little leeway with things like that. Fights would be unwinnable if they were entirely logical; Ozma could just keep eating you until you succumb to Doomsday, Garuda could just fly around and pelt you with wind magic, there's no reason Leviathan should play with us like he does instead of just capsizing our boat, etc.

EDIT
The actual name of Zande's float attack is Imperium, just for the record.

**Frederick22** · 09-19-2016 11:02 AM

So we almost know for sure who the final boss of deep dungeon ( PotD )

Given the apperance, the song, tactics ogre, etc.

My question, is this guy just a super powefull voidsent? Or something else?

**Harz** · 09-19-2016 11:36 AM

Originally Posted by DarthSanguine

No. It's a Final Fantasy game, so more likely it's Scarmiglione from FF4. Especially with the cloak being in tatters like it is.

Square owns the Ogre franchise now, and if there's any doubt in your mind that Palace of the Dead isn't a reference to it, then listen to this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vc8ze7HfmZ4

This is the music used in Palace of the Dead in Tactics Ogre. It is the exact same song used during the 3.4 trailer during the Palace of the Dead segment.

It's going to be Nybeth, the reincarnated versions of Edda and the other various people from our past we encounter in the first 50 floors are strikingly similar to his dabbling with resurrecting the dead in hindsight.

**myahele** · 09-19-2016 11:51 AM

I wonder if he's a surviving Amdapori WHM? We're getting to know more about the Mhachi, yet we don't know too much about the Amdapori WHM and their ability to "alter the very fabric of existence" While I don't think necromancy is that magic, I do think that Amdapor did eventually made use of Voidsent.

The demon wall minion. Then there's the Disembodied Head resonator which animates objects that has voidal properties and this was used by E-Uma-Kotor to better understand/ recreate the Guardians we fight in Amdapor guardians such as Balipu, etc.

**Cilia** · 09-19-2016 11:58 AM

Originally Posted by DarthSanguine

Ark was the counterpart to Madeen, not Alexander, since Alexander only appeared in a cutscene.

Thing is though, in the only other game Ark has been a summon in (besides the Dissidias): Final Fantasy Legends: Toki no Suishō, he was Light elemental, not dark. His attack's name being changed to divine fate.

I know what they changed him to in another game, but in IX (his only main series appearance) Ark is the dark foil to Alexander.

Both are transforming mechas; Alexander from a castle, Ark from an airship.
Alexander is the most powerful Gaian eidolon. Ark is the only known Terran eidolon.
Alexander deals light damage (presumably). Ark deals dark damage.
Alexander's attack as per series tradition is "Holy Judgment." Ark's attack is "Eternal Darkness," or for a literal translation from the Japanese version, "Dark Fate."
Alexander is earthbound. Ark is skybound.

... etc.

**Ametrine** · 09-19-2016 12:33 PM

[spoiler]I'm pretty sure Ark is the current raid's Pheonix; a bonus extra primal surprise before the final big bad.[/spoiler]

I wonder if the goal of the WoD is more of a singularity scenario. If they lost their world in a calamity, smashing all existence together, while it would thoroughly stop the cycle of life and death, it's possible they think it would bring them back with the people who died.

**Theodric** · 09-19-2016 12:46 PM

I wonder if Yda will make the mistake of siding with the Ala Mhigan Resistance. We know Ilberd isn't a particularly pleasant or sane person and will no doubt engage in yet more horrific acts in the name of his misguided cause. It also seems like he's...interested in reclaiming Ala Mhigo so that he can be in a position of power.

I'm assuming that it is indeed Ilberd. It seems likely - there's many signs that point to it and he's a great way for the story to move towards having the Warrior of Light see Garlemald in a more sympathetic light if he starts killing Garleans indiscriminately.

**myahele** · 09-19-2016 01:05 PM

Ilberd seems a bit too confident in his speech. I do wonder what "power" he's talking about? I'd like to think it's Omega weapon. It might have been damage when it crashed into Carteneau, but sure such a machine that defeated Bahamut would have self-repairing mechanism? The entirety of Coil was recreating a Dalamud and Bahamut's body, so surely there's machines repairing it?

As for Yda and Papalymo, they sure have alot of explaining as to why they have not bothered to contact the WoL and co. They could go the simple route and just say they didn't get info or the whole ordeal wit the mask was worth more than reuniting with the WoL

**Morningstar1337** · 09-19-2016 01:18 PM

It might also be an interesting opportunity to see if Illberd will go to the same extremes as Throdian. Summoning a Primal to "liberate" Ala Mhigo by tempering the Garleans, and possibly making a move for Ul'dah to specifically temper the Sultana and Lolorito (getting revenge on Raubahn by taking away his current raison d'etre as well as bring two of the city states under his rule), With seemingly opposing motives from Thordian. Acting in blatant selfishness as opposed to Thordian's feigning of good intentions. Of course it also help if when the whole "Spoken races can summon primals too" inevitably gets revealed that some of the garleans (even as high up as legati and Varis's aides) don't just up and Godwin their entire role in the story like I fear they would given preceding depictions, possibly with a character similar to Ameryc in role as well, one who wants to reform Garlemald from the inside

come to think of it, that might just make 4-5.0 a spread out rehash of 3.0 wouldn't it?

**Dualblade** · 09-19-2016 02:15 PM

Plot twist: Mide's boyfriend/lover/whatever was turned into Ark and became part of the defenses. After we beat him up he'll regain his senses and help us get to the final area. If he survives he gets to be with Mide again.

While similar to Phoenix in Coil, Ark won't actually be a Primal here.

Also jokes about Mide riding him.

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