Patch 3.4 - Soul Surrender

**Nalien** · 08-29-2016 11:11 AM

Originally Posted by Toranja

1. Hydaelyn cannot be a Primal. Remember, Primals feast off the aether in land. Were Hydaelyn a Primal, our Planet would be one dry husk. Also, who would be summoning her?

Yeah... But Hydaelyn is massive... Like... How do we know what is even going on at that scale? Alexander is large enough to sustain life, apparently... So, hypothetically... What if a group of Goblins, inside Alexander, decided to worship and summon, IDK, Enkidu... Where would Enkidu drain aether from? Hydaelyn or Alexander? He would be summoned inside Alexander, the same way current Primals are summoned on Hydaelyn... I'd imagine he'd drain aether from Alexander, and Alexander might take measures to combat that...

So... Where does Hydaelyn drain aether from? Space? *Looks up in the sky* Oh right, we have Zodiark embodied as the moon, as a dead lifeless husk... Almost as if someone drained all his aether...

As for who summoned Hydaelyn... No idea, not much room to speculate on that, it's a "If God created everything, who created God?" kinda thing... I'm not even sure how many Hydaelyns there are anymore... What with all this talk of alternate realities starting to surface, but even before that we had an oddity with the Blessing of Light... There would seem to be multiple Hydaelyns... Maybe Hydaelyn summoned Hydaelyn... Maybe C-137 Hydaelyn died, and all the people living on it prayed for Hydaelyn to save them, so they summoned C-138 Hydaelyn...

**Frederick22** · 08-29-2016 11:41 AM

Originally Posted by Nestama

I doubt this. The Warriors of Darkness exist because the Warrior of Light is currently an imbalance (or so Elidibus claims).

Havent you seen the 2.1 cutscenes?
They were once warriors of light, but something happened.

Not again the "Hydaelyn is a primal" thread xD

**Nestama** · 08-29-2016 11:44 AM

Originally Posted by Morningstar1337

And how do you explain that echo vision then?

The one where they claimed to rid the world of Ascians forever? I have a feeling they were once Warriors of Light themselves (either in a different reality/dimension, or timeline), but after defeating the last Ascian, they inadvertently caused something to manifest (returned everything to the void). They were most likely saved by Elidibus from whatever limbo world they were in and are being tasked to stop us from repeating the same mistake (three Ascian overlords are gone).

Probably.

**Frederick22** · 08-29-2016 11:49 AM

Originally Posted by Nestama

The one where they claimed to rid the world of Ascians forever? I have a feeling they were once Warriors of Light themselves (either in a different reality/dimension, or timeline), but after defeating the last Ascian, they inadvertently caused something to manifest (returned everything to the void). They were most likely saved by Elidibus from whatever limbo world they were in and are being tasked to stop us from repeating the same mistake (three Ascian overlords are gone).

Probably.

So then..... they were not created to "fix the imbalace"

This thing about the imbalance that Edibudus said was alreadydiscused too many times, and still we arent totaly sure if its something real or some a comment that an ascian said beacuse is afraid of failing.
All we know so far is that somehow they are here to oposse the warrior of light, probably a fase of "lets fight fire with fire" more or less.

That echo vision proves that once they were warriors of light, but something drasticaly happened that made them change, voluntary or not.

**Nestama** · 08-29-2016 11:53 AM

Lord knows. All we know is that we've defeated three Ascians, we're apparently causing an imbalance and our characters might 'encroaches the realm of Gods.' Whatever that could mean.

Definitely would make the Zilart of XI green with envy.

**Kallera** · 08-29-2016 11:10 PM

"Derplander is possesed and that is the only reason for his opposition to you as Warrior of Darkness." I will throw a fit if that is the case.

I liked the idea that we, despite our success and choosing by hydelyn, do not have the whole picture and can concievably cause a different disaster if left on our current path unopposed.

I'd like a point for Derplander's existence , his disdain for the main character, other than "general distaste for good".

**swiss_Momo** · 08-30-2016 01:37 AM

Originally Posted by Khalithar

That's one of the things I love about swtor. In that game they actually take the time to animate your character fighting NPC's and doing badass stuff in the cutscenes so said cutscenes aren't just the NPC's having all the fun.

you know the actual reason why we'll newer get an awesome cutscene of the WoL fighting against someone/something?
Lalafel restrictions

**Alleo** · 08-30-2016 03:11 AM

Originally Posted by Nestama

I doubt this. The Warriors of Darkness exist because the Warrior of Light is currently an imbalance (or so Elidibus claims).

Funny that Elidibus now claims that we have an imbalance but did not really care about it before we came. I mean Hydaelyn is already losing for quite some time and we are her last hope, so if he wants balance than shouldn't they let us win? Or at least not destroy the realm further? I mean if we lose than its only darkness that remains so imbalance too? Maybe I am too naive but I am staying on Hydaelyn's side. (If the game forces me to go against her than I have to accept it) And I cant just trust the words of Ascians like Lahabrea after all the times that he tried to slaughter all of mankind. If Elidibus knows something that might change our minds than he should just say it..and even if Hydaelyn was the one that started everything I still would not want her death or side with the Ascians, since that would mean the death of everyone else. (At least as far as we know right now)

My theory is that the WoD came from on of the destroyed realms, were WoL once and choose to side with the Ascians for some reasons. Maybe Elidibus told them some lies or maybe they just got corrupted.

I know that balance of light and darkness is a part of FF but I still cant really see how too much light is truly bad. Maybe I have the wrong concept about light itself but even if we dont have the Ascians, we still have ourselves. We are capable of truly bad things and dont really need them to start wars.

**Toranja** · 08-30-2016 04:17 AM

Lahabrea claims the only way to bring balance is with the complete excision of Hydaelyn. Whatever version of balance that may be.

Although maybe we should try listening to the Ascians more carefully to understand their actions.

**Cilia** · 08-30-2016 05:15 AM

Originally Posted by Toranja

Lahabrea claims the only way to bring balance is with the complete excision of Hydaelyn. Whatever version of balance that may be.

Although maybe we should try listening to the Ascians more carefully to understand their actions.

Well, to be specific what he says is that she's causing an imbalance, and to stop the physical and aetheric laws of the world from being corrupted Hydaelyn needs to be "burned out like a parasite." What exactly that means is... still up for debate.

Regardless, Hydaelyn (God, or at least our creator) tells us not to listen to what they say, and given their highly malevolent actions thus far I don't see much reason to do so. I'm willing to hear them out, but it's pretty tough to justify things like Cartenau.

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