Thread: Patch 3.4 - Soul Surrender

Originally Posted by Theodric

Furthermore I've also been playing Witcher 3 recently. That game is awesome in regards to making morality more complex than 'good' and 'evil'. Sometimes doing the right thing leads to the bad thing happening. Which is super refreshing.

But I'm rambling.

Also Kingsglaive releases in a few days. I've been told by a Japanese friend that it is very morally complex and at least one of the antagonists has sympathetic motives so hopefully that'll be the case with FFXV. If that does well too then hopefully it'll be embraced by FFXIV as well.

Theodric, I think it's far past time that you come to the realization that FFXIV is *never* going to be the 'morally complex' story that you want. Every other post I see you make here in the Lore forum is about how you wish for more 'sympathetic' antagonists. That you wish for something more complex then 'good and evil'.

First of all, we already do have more complexity then 'good and evil.' Look at the whole situation with Lolorito for a prime example. Hell, if you're looking for an example of how our 'good' actions caused consequences, look at the immediate fallout of killing Thordan. The consequences of violently ousting Ishgard's leader was not taken well by everyone, and affected the 3.1 and 3.2 story. (Remember that woman saying "This was never your fight"?)

And this is without getting into some of the more ambigious situations in the side stories, job quests, and class quests. End of 50-60 PLD quest line come to mind, even though I didn't fully understand what the hell that was about.

But if you're hoping for something like what the Witcher 3 does, I think you're going to be sorely disappointed. FFXIV is not that kind of story, and never will be.

If anything, FFXIV has one of the best handlings of a 'light is good, dark is evil' concepts I've ever seen in a story. Because even though there is a definite Light that is Good, and Dark that is Evil, there's lots of shades of grey occupied by mere mortals. The end of Before the Fall is an excellent example. The various Alliance leaders *know* the Scions are the absolute good guys, but politics keep them from helping. Those same politics force them to rely on the Scions to resolve the situation, though they clearly hated doing so.

FFXIV is an excellent story on its own merits. But I really don't think it's your type of story, and it never will be.

On topic:

YES! Alisaie is finally making her formal return to the MSQ! The Live Letter even says the focus is on the twins. This is going to be interesting to watch.

I cleared Final Coil ASAP after seeing Alisaie appear at the end of 3.1. I *knew* there was going to be altered dialogue if it was cleared. I mean, it was kinda inevitable.