Patch 3.4 - Soul Surrender

**Fevelle** · 09-20-2016 09:21 AM

Originally Posted by Masekase_Hurricane

Maybe he just transforms during the fight and it is two different phases.

Maybe this is an older Alexander, maybe we will go trough different ages fighting various version of Alexander...

**Shikiseki** · 09-21-2016 08:16 PM

Originally Posted by ToppeHatte

While everyone is curious as to the MSQ's significance, has it been brought up at all that Alexander looks totally different when he's first encountered in A12 (assuming that's Alexander at all, of course)?

I'm not entirely sure what this would imply (again, assuming that this indeed Alex in some degree) but I thought it was an interesting observation at least.

The first time I saw his first form I immediately thought of FF6's Alexander. That could be a pun to merge all past Alexanders for his ability to manipulate time.
Shame though he lost his holy attribute - that's what defined the summon for me

**Alberel** · 09-21-2016 09:02 PM

Originally Posted by ToppeHatte

While everyone is curious as to the MSQ's significance, has it been brought up at all that Alexander looks totally different when he's first encountered in A12 (assuming that's Alexander at all, of course)?

I'm not entirely sure what this would imply (again, assuming that this indeed Alex in some degree) but I thought it was an interesting observation at least.

Not just different; human! If you pay attention you see he has fingers and looks more like a person wearing armor than a mechanical construct. If I were to guess either Mide's lover or our most hated goblin leader will merge with the primal somehow and we'll start the fight by facing a hybrid of some kind.

**Yasuhiro** · 09-22-2016 05:24 PM

Originally Posted by ToppeHatte

While everyone is curious as to the MSQ's significance, has it been brought up at all that Alexander looks totally different when he's first encountered in A12 (assuming that's Alexander at all, of course)?

I'm not entirely sure what this would imply (again, assuming that this indeed Alex in some degree) but I thought it was an interesting observation at least.

That form makes it look like it's based on his original Final Fantasy VI sprite the game he first appeared in.

**Ametrine** · 09-20-2016 08:59 AM

I'm definitely expecting OMEGA to be a thing at some point.

While totally-not-Ilberd's speech does come off like a rallying cry, he wouldn't be making a move now if he didn't have some sort of trump card. Maybe not Omega Weapon, but with his relationship with the men that knew of it's existence, it feels more likely.

Also, where the heck is Yda? I know she was never the sharpest tool in the shed, but she surely dumb enough to side with Crystal Brave cronies!

**Ametrine** · 09-20-2016 09:01 AM

Originally Posted by Ametrine

I'm definitely expecting OMEGA to be a thing at some point.

While totally-not-Ilberd's speech does come off like a rallying cry, he wouldn't be making a move now if he didn't have some sort of trump card. Maybe not Omega Weapon, but with his relationship with the men that knew of it's existence, it feels more likely.

Also, where the heck is Yda? I know she was never the sharpest tool in the shed, but she surely dumb enough to side with Crystal Brave cronies!

[b]Isn't[b] dump enough, I mean.

Curse mobile's inabilty to edit posts!

**Cilia** · 09-20-2016 09:30 AM

With Alexander, I'm expecting the fight to be somewhat similar to Bahamut Prime's - that is, the thing we fight isn't the full-size Alexander, but a representation of him in a "mental space," so to speak. We'll fight the "miniature" Alexander with the more human face for the first part, then he'll change to his full majesty to use his super ([Holy] Judgment), possibly remaining like that for the rest of the fight.

Maybe.

With ~~Ilberd~~ Masked Man, he says:

Originally Posted by Masked Man Who is Totally Not Ilberd

... this, I promise you! For we have a power within us, my friends! A power befitting our pride, our righteousness!

Seems innocuous enough, but reading between the lines suggests he's got some kind of ace in the hole.

What's he promising them? Victory against the Garleans and the liberation of Ala Mhigo? What power do they have within themselves that justifies their pride? Their cause is righteous, but that doesn't justify doing anything, no matter how vile, to free their homeland... Hmm...

If it really is Ilberd (and it slagging is, why else would the guy be masked), he wouldn't make such a bold move without one. I don't want to say Omega (it's still a scrap heap in Cartenau until further notice) or a Primal (we need more varied threats than those)... so, I'm drawing a blank for now. An' I'mma leave it blank 'till we get more information instead of trying to slot things in places they might not fit.

**Nestama** · 09-20-2016 01:46 PM

Originally Posted by Cilia

With Alexander, I'm expecting the fight to be somewhat similar to Bahamut Prime's - that is, the thing we fight isn't the full-size Alexander, but a representation of him in a "mental space," so to speak.

That, or Alexander used something similar to time compression... assuming that's how powerful his time manipulation is.

**Balipu** · 09-20-2016 04:06 PM

Originally Posted by Cilia

Seems innocuous enough, but reading between the lines suggests he's got some kind of ace in the hole.

What's he promising them? Victory against the Garleans and the liberation of Ala Mhigo? What power do they have within themselves that justifies their pride? Their cause is righteous, but that doesn't justify doing anything, no matter how vile, to free their homeland... Hmm...

If it really is Ilberd (and it slagging is, why else would the guy be masked), he wouldn't make such a bold move without one.

That makes all the Ascians Ilberd as well, seeing that they all wear masks. And Unukalhai.

I think it is a new villain/anti hero/ anti villain we will have to deal with in 4.0 Kinda like Ysaile. As for his ace in the hole:
He probably has something, otherwise he wouldn't be much of a credible threat, but it might just be talk. Political speeches are often like that. Especially done by megalomaniac dictators.

**Cilia** · 09-20-2016 04:54 PM

Originally Posted by Theodric

Well, realistically Ilberd doesn't have a shred of hope rallying a bunch of rag-tag Ala Mhigans to his side and then throwing them at his homeland to reclaim it...

3.4 should provide some solid answers though. Yet any attempt to reclaim Ala Mhigo isn't going to be clean or justified - it's going to be messy. One could say it'd be a storm of blood, even. Yet with all the talk of cycles and history repeating itself Ilberd's actions could be the very thing that ends up forging peace and stable bonds between Eorzea and Garlemald's more moderate elements.

While the Ala Mhigans may not have a means to reclaim their homeland right now, if ~~Ilberd~~ Masked Man speaks true that's about to change in pretty short order. Just what his ace in the hole is remains to be seen, but he does seem to have one.

Any attempt to reclaim Ala Mhigo will not be clean because the Garleans have proven they are not open to peacefully relinquishing territory and allowing the Ala Mhigans to be repatriated (just look at Doma). Their cause is certainly just, however - and while there are certainly going to be bad apples in the Resistance, that's simply a matter of course. Siding with the Resistance is not a bad decision overall, so long as you curb the influence of extremists. Nobody is suggesting terrorist attacks, and stopping it from coming to that is of paramount importance.

... but, guerrilla or otherwise, war is war. The reality is that bad things are going to happen, innocent lives on both sides are going to be lost, and we're going to hurt people without meaning to. There are no heroes or survivors of war - just the guilty and the dead. (Haven't I mentioned this before? I think I have...) And, given the Garleans' love of conquest and war...

Originally Posted by Balipu

That makes all the Ascians Ilberd as well, seeing that they all wear masks. And Unukalhai.

Highlander dude with Ala Mhigan crest on the back of his cloak, hiding his whole face, and talking about reclaiming his homeland? Pretty suspicious... why hide his face unless it's someone we already know but they want us to sympathize with in spite of doing horrible things?

Not saying it's Ilberd... but, it's Ilberd. He's the prime suspect right now, at least - I could be wrong. Possibly wrong. Plausibly wrong. Nanamo survived asphyxiating thanks to "it was just a sleeping potion, give her some coffee and she's fine lolz!", so...

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