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    Yeah, I noticed that. After going over Sophia's lyrics again, it seems that they imply her offering a philosophy or some such, much like Ramuh's theme. So perhaps she indoctrinated (or tempered) some of the Allagan soldiers, who were eventually sealed away with her? My current interpretation of the lyrics is this:

    Quote Originally Posted by Goddess- Sophia's Theme (partial)

    ...Speak an ancient rite, on her knees.
    Breathless as from her lips,
    Into her soul, the Goddess whispers:
    "A heartbeat without harmony,
    Is a rhythm without time.
    The heart seeketh equilibrium.
    Without strength the (something)."
    Says, "Truth is but the melody,
    That memory shalt reveal.
    One must start believing:
    An empty heart devours sin.

    An empty heart devours sin."

    Chase the heartbeat...
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    It seems to me like to much of a coincidence that this adds are using the same gear of someone who was a rebellion leader against the Allagan Empire ( it was that right? )

    They could have added any add with the tradicional allagan gear.
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    Yeah, Phlegethon rebelled against Xande (the resurrected one, I believe), and was punished by becoming an immortal slave by Amon. Perhaps these soldiers were some of his men, then.
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    What calls my attention so much is that this adds are an elezen and a roegardyn, using the gear of Plegethon.

    For what we know this races were not among the allagan, at least not on mayority.

    Is this just a coincidence, just pure random assets or there is something more in here?
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    What if she copies some of your party member's appearances? It wouldn't be the first time its been a mechanic. Although, if that was the case then I would expect their job to be copied over, so that's most likely wishful thinking. And I guess even more unlikely because they share the same dark skin as Sophia, but with golden hair.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mysteltain View Post
    What if she copies some of your party member's appearances? It wouldn't be the first time its been a mechanic. Although, if that was the case then I would expect their job to be copied over, so that's most likely wishful thinking. And I guess even more unlikely because they share the same dark skin as Sophia, but with golden hair.
    The only battle I know that sort of uses that is the first boss in Lost City of Adamapor Hard, but even then they just stand there and do AOEs based what direction you were facing last time.
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    I didn't see any Roe in the party fighting Sophia. Could be wrong, but I didn't see any.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PArcher View Post
    I didn't see any Roe in the party fighting Sophia. Could be wrong, but I didn't see any.
    The larger one in the back with the spear, only visible for a few seconds in either place he pops up. I counted three, a male Elezen pld/gld, a male roe drg/lnc, and a female elezen (or maybe a highlander) whm/cnj (or blm/thm. The staff looked more whm-y from what I saw of it.) I also didn't see any roe in the party in the trailer, and the drg there is definitely a midlander, which makes the 'she copies PCs for her adds' theory seem iffy to me.


    Given that there seems to be a connection between her and Phlegethon, though, the fact that she has a VA, and that the name Sophia... maybe she was something of an Ysale/Shiva of her era, who followed much the same path as Ysale did, either summoning the power of a historical figure (as Saint Shiva), or perhaps she summoned the power of one of the Twelve (presumably either Azeyma, or maybe Althyk? Given the large time gap, the cultural image of any of the twelve would likely have shifted signficantly), but rather than acknowledging her 'Eikon' form as that of a well known member of the Twelve, the Allagans who sealed her referred to her Sophia, (which would then likely be either her actual name, or an alternative name given to her for one reason or another). If this were the case, I honestly wouldn't be surprised if after she's beaten, she turns back into her non-primal/eikon form. It'd certainly make for an interesting twist, and add to the theme of cycles and patterns with the implication that ysale/thordan's actions were far from unique throughout the ages.
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    Soooo... this is something I've been considering for a while now, ever since the Warriors of Darkness first showed and particularly after finding out they were once Warriors of Light.

    What if this whole thing is going to involve a "face/heel" turn for the Warrior of Light (the player)? I mean, the dialog in the trailer made several references to betrayal and switching allegiances.

    What if there's a damn good reason the old warriors of light went dark? Something like maybe easing the strain on Hydaelyn or something?

    Just a lingering fwelding of dread I'm having since the last time we got an in-cutscene bitch slap like this, we completely lost the blessing of light.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JadenSan View Post
    Soooo... this is something I've been considering for a while now, ever since the Warriors of Darkness first showed and particularly after finding out they were once Warriors of Light.

    What if this whole thing is going to involve a "face/heel" turn for the Warrior of Light (the player)? I mean, the dialog in the trailer made several references to betrayal and switching allegiances.

    What if there's a damn good reason the old warriors of light went dark? Something like maybe easing the strain on Hydaelyn or something?

    Just a lingering fwelding of dread I'm having since the last time we got an in-cutscene bitch slap like this, we completely lost the blessing of light.
    It just confuses me, if they are the ones from the trailer, then who was the midlander who went from WAR to DRG in Heavensward? Unless they are something we do not expect, it feels like a major retcon.
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