Patch 3.4 - Soul Surrender

**Catapult** · 09-18-2016 10:08 AM

Originally Posted by DarthSanguine

It does seem possible... The only potential problem I can see is that the symbol now used for Azeyma was originally Sephirot's (it's found all over the cathedral in Azys Lla, which was a temple to Sephirot).

Agreed on the orb of Azeyma, but those scales on the other hand...

Spitting image of the Ul'dahn and Belah'dian Scales of Judgement.

**JadenSan** · 09-18-2016 10:51 AM

Soooo... this is something I've been considering for a while now, ever since the Warriors of Darkness first showed and particularly after finding out they were once Warriors of Light.

What if this whole thing is going to involve a "face/heel" turn for the Warrior of Light (the player)? I mean, the dialog in the trailer made several references to betrayal and switching allegiances.

What if there's a damn good reason the old warriors of light went dark? Something like maybe easing the strain on Hydaelyn or something?

Just a lingering fwelding of dread I'm having since the last time we got an in-cutscene bitch slap like this, we completely lost the blessing of light.

**Laili** · 09-18-2016 11:13 AM

I actually wouldn't mind if we went rogue for a bit; we've been fighting other people's wars for a very long time now. I don't think it'll actually happen though.

**Anonymoose** · 09-18-2016 11:26 AM

Originally Posted by myahele

what about Meracydia's interpretation of Azeyma at the time, instead?

Even if this doesn't pan out, I noticed the same connections (aka potential coincidences). Already, Sephirot's worshipers had temples that inspired Allag and eventually the builders of Qarn and so on through Belah'dia. Perhaps what survived through the ages was an amalgam of Meracydian themes. At the very least, the observations are solid Darksteelfoil Hattery, even if they end up completely unfounded.

Originally Posted by Fenral

OUCH BURN. Someone didn't take Moenbryda's death too well. On the bright side, it leaves open the possibility that there is something he believes in (as in the English), but we don't actually have any real proof that these lines are from the same scene. He could be addressing someone else (Eldibus?) in a completely different context.

Urianger's character keeps getting called into question, from rumors in 1.0 (started by the Circle of Knowing to distract Darnus) all the way up through meeting with the Ascian emissary (whereby he learned what he could and implied that he was a liar). Each time (so far), he's turned out to still be acting in accordance with what we've always been told he was: Louisoix's best, brightest, most loyal, and most socially awkward student.

I feel like if he was truly going to ally against Hydaelyn's best interests, it would have been earlier. He could have turned after Moenbryda's death when he met with Elidibus, he could have turned when confronted with the Gerun Oracles. He could have been more accepting of Li'lidibus (he refers to him as an ally "for now" while simultaneously speaking of the need for the Ascians to taste "lasting defeat"). What will have changed? Finally too much evidence for Elidibus' narrative? Was the loss of Minfilia the last straw? I wouldn't find it strange or unrealistic, but given his characterization (so far), I'd find it surprising. And if he did turn, I feel like he'd realize his mistake ere the end.

He's earned my trust for now, I think... I hope...

Of course, that all assumes I've not just chosen some very poor core assumptions about where the game is heading.
Predicting the big, general things - not my strongest area.

Originally Posted by Cilia

I'm just gonna say I was kind of disappointed they replaced the EN voice cast at all

I hate to admit it, but I have voices muted for now. ARR had great choices for actors, but (imho, sadly) jarringly bad cuts of the lines. That drew me out of the game. And then all the voices changed. And that drew me out of the game. And now I can't even tell who's talking in a trailer. And if they changed between 2013 and 2015, what are the chances they'll change again? I'm afraid that just as I get comfortable with characters' identities again, bam, all voices will now be provided by Roy Dotrice.

Originally Posted by Frederick22

Did anyone notice that the adds on th trial of Sophia are using the gear of Plegethon?

I noticed, and then questioned myself whether that was accurate.
If other people are seeing it too, though, might as well whimsically theorize, right?

I'm reminded that Allag faced numerous rebellions on the home front and knew well the basics of summoning (hell, they invented summoners as a battle class, as far as we know). It's possible that one of the rebellions got involved with the eikon threat. However, the backstory has phrased it as "the beast tribes of Meracydia" over and over when it comes to the Warring Triad; ne'er a mention of the wandering races being involved. Could be a false lead; could bit a bit of forgotten history.

Hmm. Not much of value for such a long post.

**Rocl** · 09-18-2016 11:46 AM

Can we just talk about how the PR blurb mentions Sophia wanting to

restore the realm to a ruinous equilibrium

?

Equilibrium, Kidlidbus, Primals... ruinous...

**DarthSanguine** · 09-18-2016 11:57 AM

Originally Posted by Rocl

Can we just talk about how the PR blurb mentions Sophia wanting to ?

Equilibrium, Kidlidbus, Primals... ruinous...

Where is this? I can't seem to find anything about Sophia. Neither the lodestone nor the official site has anything about her yet.

**Alisa180** · 09-18-2016 12:25 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymoose

Urianger's character keeps getting called into question, from rumors in 1.0 (started by the Circle of Knowing to distract Darnus) all the way up through meeting with Ascian emissaries (whereby he learned what he could yet called him a liar to his face). Each time (so far), he's proven to be acting in accordance with what we've always been told he was: Louisoix's best, brightest, most loyal, and most socially awkward student.

I feel like if he was truly going to ally against Hydaelyn's best interests, it would have been earlier. He could have turned after Moenbryda's death when he met with Elidibus, he could have turned when confronted with the Gerun Oracles. He could have been far less trusting of Li'lidibus (he refers to him as an ally for now while still talking about the need for the Ascians to taste "lasting defeat"). What will have changed? Finally too much evidence for Elidibus' narrative? Was the loss of Minfilia the last straw? I wouldn't find it strange or unrealistic, but given his characterization so far, I'd find it surprising. And if he did turn, I feel like he'd realize his mistake ere the end.

He's earned my trust for now, I think... I hope...

Took the words right out of my mouth.

You only have to look at the Binding Coil storyline to see that Urianger extended his loyalty to Louisoix towards his grandchildren, along with a good dose of affection. (He totally goes mother hen on them in his last appearance in that side story.) Its made clear he's an old family friend.

I have a hard time believing he'd side with the Ascians, if only because it would bring him in conflict with the twins, which in turn would be something of a betrayal of his old master. The twins are trying to fill the gap left by their grandfather after all, each in their own way. And again, they're practically family. It would take a *lot*, as in a Calamity-sized ton, for him to choose to pit himself against them.

**DarthVella** · 09-18-2016 01:23 PM

Originally Posted by Cilia

Every class fights very differently, so... kinda? They'd have to animate a different scene for every class, unless they just had us jumping backward after a gameplay fight against Darklander... that would be just as disappointing, in my opinion. (And don't forget you can rewatch cutscenes at the Inn on any class - even Crafting and Gathering ones.)

And? That'd be a great way to slip in some easter eggs! Miner vs Titan, anyone?

I mean, I know it'll never happen, but it'd certainly be funny

**MilesSaintboroguh** · 09-18-2016 01:27 PM

I'm telling you, he's pretending to side with them so that he can learn their motives and then tell us what we have to do in order to stop them.

**Dualblade** · 09-18-2016 01:43 PM

A good trailer cuts the lines/scenes in a way to make one hyped, in some cases by making one wonder "wait, is he going evil/To the enemy side?!". That is currently what I'm believing is happening with Urianger for now.

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