Thread: Patch 3.4 - Soul Surrender

Originally Posted by Anonymoose

Did they settle, overpopulate, and get expelled from the Twelveswood all in one generation...?

Possibly... To overpopulate they don't necessarily need to reproduce, they could have just started migrating en mass following the discovery of "Tinolqa" after deciding its their new homeland... They have to have come from somewhere before hand, after all, we know quite a bit about their origins at this point, although there are still some pretty big gaps... Wonder if Azys Lla will come up at all in this encounter, now that I think about it... It's also possible that the Allagan made them to reproduce and develop fairly quickly, given that would only be a benefit to their intended purpose, so that could also account for a rapid overpopulation problem, assuming such a trait hadn't degraded at that point...

Could also just have been an interpretation of events... I guess the Seedseers might know the Elementals motives, but rather than being run out for overpopulating and expanding, the Elementals could have just recognized them as Allagan and slapped a big fat "Nope!" on them for it... People see a new tribe moving in and growing, Elementals push back for reasons, people assume it's because they've done something wrong... Would actually be great if this was all just a misunderstanding... After Ul'dah, Gridania (and Limsa) really need more flaws to be highlighted... Having the Elementals start a conflict with the Ixali, just because the Elementals are racist against Allagan constructs, while Gridania justifies it with "They were expanding too quickly and damaging the forest!", when they may not have been the case... That could be fun... Is it bad that I want Hydrus to actually have a point when he calls us savages? I don't want Eorzea to be as idyllic as it perhaps currently is...

Originally Posted by Nalien

Wonder if Azys Lla will come up at all in this encounter, now that I think about it...

I'm hoping that they tie it back to Garuda's origin story, if so.

The Empress of Birds who defeated the Lord of Snakes: Ixal vs. Lamia during the exodus from "Ayatlan"?

Originally Posted by Anonymoose

I'm hoping that they tie it back to Garuda's origin story, if so.

The Empress of Birds who defeated the Lord of Snakes: Ixal vs. Lamia during the exodus from "Ayatlan"?

I still really want this to tie back to Midgardsormr... I'm so bothered by his complete lack of presence during the Allagan reign... They built an end-of-the-world tower next to his lake for crying out loud! Never mind what they did to his kids... Gaius was just happily flying over the lake and he gets is ass handed to him for it... I don't get that wyrms motives...

Having the Lord of Snakes instead be the Lord of Wyrms, though... Well... That kills two birds with one stone... The Allag would have done battle with him, presumably in much the same way Gaius did, and presumably because he attempted to deny them flight... Those ships would have been full of Iksalion for maintenance... The battle is won, though many ships fell, but "Garuda" claims her prize and harvests Midgardsormrs corpse and that unlocked Neurolink development for the Allag... That blob of flesh in the Neurolink Nacelle? Cloned Midgardsormr... That sends out the signal that compels dragons to obey the Allag via Neurolinks... That's three birds with one stone! I'm offending some many Ixali right now...

That's almost certainly absurd though... More likely a Ixal vs. Lamia style thing, but again I'd bring it back to the Allag... Perhaps because Garuda is much more human than she should otherwise be... Having the Empress of Birds be the mother of the Ixali, as in the one who developed the Iksalion (and Mirrorknight/etc.) project, while the Lord of Snakes developed the Lamia (and Shabti/etc.) project... That sounds fun to me... A battle over project funding, to the death! The titles, just office slurs! The threat? Grounding their research!

I can't help but wonder if the original Garuda feasted upon the aether of a Primal? I am reminded of Unukalhai's story of heroes being corrupt as they used up the energy of "gods" and eventually craved and consumed aether.

As it stands she's the only Primal who forced other beast tribes to summon their respective primals in order to consume them. I also figure that the Ixali attempting to summon Garuda in Xelphaltol will prompt the Garleans to action since it borders Gyr Abania - a direct threat to them. Would be interesting if Ixals have summoned Garuda to deal with the Garleans near their border rather than Gridania for the time being.

Based on what little we see, the person does look like the Highlander face model of Ilberd, even the tanned skin looks similar.

I am interested to know what exactly is going on in Ala Mhigo now that Gaius and his crew are no longer there. Is there a new Van ruling, for example.

Originally Posted by ADVSS

Honestly I'd like to see more Cid's and Lucia's than just straight up doom music background, fire shots to kill beast tribe standing near main character and or dragon kick to their face and some sort of sephiroth like quote involving ridding the planet of some sort of cancer and ill be back, warrior of light, after ganking this important item/friend from you and somehow managing to escape(again)

Eh, I think we need more Garleans like Drace, General Leo and Gabranth. We don't need more defectors - we need Garleans who are loyal to their homeland and people whilst still being fairly sympathetic. Neither Cid or Lucia give much insight into their homeland or former culture anyway.

As I've said in the past, though, 3.0 was a huge improvement over 2.0 so hopefully 4.0 will be an even bigger improvement and will actually start showing us more depth where the antagonists are concerned. Perhaps 3.4 will be the start of that - especially since we're due some insight into what, exactly, Elidibus, the WoD and the Garleans are doing.

FF7 and FF12 were brilliant in that regard since a lot of scenes gave insight into what the antagonists were doing, planning, made them seem competent and even added depth and reasons to sympathise with them at times. In 3.0 I feel that it was a missed opportunity not to flesh out the likes of Thordan and Varis much more - both had very little screen-time despite being major players in the overall story.

Originally Posted by Theodric

Eh, I think we need more Garleans like Drace, General Leo and Gabranth. We don't need more defectors - we need Garleans who are loyal to their homeland and people whilst still being fairly sympathetic. Neither Cid or Lucia give much insight into their homeland or former culture anyway..

<3 General Leo R.I.P. enjoyed all 10 seconds of playing you as a character T_T