Rebalancing Suggestions for 4.0

**StrejdaTom** · 08-26-2016 10:56 PM

Originally Posted by TiaHariberux3

There is really no problem for keyboard/mouse users due modifiers and keybinds etc. Then again a mouse with atleast 2 mouse buttons arent really expensive and currently pretty standard.

I don't know how people with normal peripherals play. I have Naga.
But I really can't imagine using shift + 10 on keyboard during raid.

**TiaHariberux3** · 08-27-2016 12:09 AM

Originally Posted by StrejdaTom

I don't know how people with normal peripherals play. I have Naga.
But I really can't imagine using shift + 10 on keyboard during raid.

I have naga myself but its really easy to play this game even without such a mouse etc.. People just need to learn to keybind lets say you can hit 1-5 easily with modifiers its already 15 skills then you can keybind the usual (R,T,F,G,H,Y,X,C,V,B) or even more depending on the player (N, F1-F4) there are people out there who dont even move with their keyboard so A,S,D,E,Q is free for skills all of those buttons can be used up to 3 skills if you use modifiers like shift for them. I only use naga because its easier and less effort because I dont have to keybind much. But then again I can imagine where these complaints Yoshida gets come from since I see alot of ppl just clicking all of their skills with their mouse (including 1-3 lol). Even as pvper I never had problems even if I would switch my naga to a normal mouse

**ruskie** · 08-27-2016 12:40 AM

Ummm really people have an issue with to buttons on a keyboard??? I'm on a controller and have easy access to 48(expanded chotbars and cycle between two). And that's with some duplicated skills(some 8 or so).

But maybe I'm just to used to using the tools I have to the best effect(when you have apps that you basically have every key on your keyboard double or triple modified bound to something you kinda get used to that and don't even think about it.)

I'm not sure about the casting stances getting removed - and tbh I'd probably miss them at this point(no not because of the "consistent" damage buff someone said - it's not this is baseline damage - they would just need to up a bit of the potency or even just add a bit to WD for autoattacks to add up to the same).

**FeliAiko** · 08-27-2016 01:36 AM

Off the top of my head for now...

MCH:

- No need to remove GB in my opinion. Cast time mechanic works for MCH since they designed it from the ground up, including providing tools to bypass the cast times. The issue was also slapping it onto BRD, which put it in conflict with how the Job played up to that point.
- Remove their Stun and Bind skills while keeping their Slow and Silence. Alternatively have them occupy the same slot, but access gated behind a Job mechanic (like how NIN's Mug and Jugulate effects being effected by whatever Poison stance they're in)

PLD:

- Needs its niche, utility skills either removed or tweaked to be more useful overall. Unless SE intends on designing encounters that make those skills shine (which I can't see them doing, as that would give the wrong message of playing favoritism to PLDs and potentially put the other Tanks at a disadvantage).
- Have Spirits Within do 300 pot regardless of HP.
- Have Sheltron give TP instead of MP upon successful blocks.

NIN:

- Do more with their poison stances. Right now it's only useful for Jugulate (ignoring Mug because neither option does anything of worth beyond damage). Besides that they both have the same function: 20% physical damage boost, making one of them a waste of a slot. With the oGCDs NIN got they could've provided additional effects to them based on the stance.
- Allow Ninjustu to be 'stored'. For example, you cast your Mudras for Raiton, but you have the option to hold onto it instead of having to use it immediately, like how MNK can build up Forbidden Chakra and Purification but aren't obligated to use it right away. Difference here though, is that NINs would have a short duration on how long they can hold on to their jutsu.

SCH

- Replace Selene's Silent Dusk with something else. Dunno what exactly though. Perhaps a minor buff to a secondary stat, in keeping with her status as the buffing fairy.

SMN

- Introduce an Egi-swap mechanic, where you can plan around switching Egi's mid-fight in response to particular fight phases. Was also thinking to have Contagion removed from Garuda and given to the player, but not sure if that would make any real difference to things.

**Ayer2015** · 08-27-2016 01:37 AM

Originally Posted by Brannigan

Well I'd also like to see White Mage get no healing or MND penalty while in Cleric Stance so maybe I'm just a dirty casual (even though I don't play WHM I just think they should probably benefit more from Cleric Stance than scholar does).

I think cross class skills need to be removed all together. Make healer dps scale off MND like nearly every other MMO.

**ThirdChild_ZKI** · 08-27-2016 02:03 AM

Originally Posted by Nekotee

Hum about OP points

If you want your mobility back then you will also lose a good part of your dps
You can have a gain without a loss that would be too easy

The gauss barrel can already be remove visually, spread the proc damage to all would mean permanent dps boost
Hell no !

Meeting skill ? No, they are here because the player have to carefully choose which one he use
Just like an ast should choose who will have his card
And this is a skill that the bard doesn't have and make an advantage to the mch

What I suggested was fair. I'm saying get rid of the casting stance, OR if we must keep it, then stabilize our combo by removing the potency increase from procs and adding it to the casting stance, making the casting stance still valid, but solving another problem in the process.
Virus does in one skill what Dismantle and Rend Mind do in 2. There's little reason for those to be split and sharing a cooldown if using one automatically makes the other unusable, and combining them would make both hotbar space and room for another, possibly more useful skill.
The ability to hide Gauss Barrel, currently, is for the MCH themselves. They don't see it, but it appears for everyone else still. Most MCH just dislike it entirely, so why not remove the visual entirely and simply make it a stance? In a similar vein, SMN's Dreadwyrm Trance and NIN's poisons do not have any visuals beyond their animation when activated, but are still recognized by their buff icon. I'm suggesting something similar.

@FeliAiko - I personally can deal with the casting stances for MCH, but I'm of the mindset, either make us mobile, ranged PHYSICAL dps again, or give BRD some of the same bypasses we have. This isn't a matter of homogenizing the 2, but effectively what's good for the geese is good for the gander. And I'd rather not rely on stance switching for accessing Stun/Silence as that's something I feel is pretty clunky about NIN. Add to that, having to move into melee range to utilize the stun kinda defeats the purpose of being at range, but for the sake of balance (especially as an avid pvper) I can see how this makes sense. MCH also don't have our own Slow, we use Feint from LNC/DRG, though I think you meant Heavy? Our Bind and Heavy are really situational skills that more often than not aren't that useful in PvE, but VERY useful in PvP. If anything, I stay get rid of the shared cooldowns on skills that apply different debuffs, especially considering no other job that has both a Bind/Heavy or Stun/Silence suffers that penalty.

I forget who mentioned the great idea with binary stances, but I already actually have a macro that does that for me on WAR. Once I turn on Defiance, from there it only switches me between that and Deliverance. Still, it's a good idea!

**Zumi** · 08-27-2016 02:47 AM

I think PLD needs some major improvements and get rid of some of the excess buttons. Most of the 3.0 abilities could be improved.

1. Sheltron - is ok for a block that can save you damage but the side effect of gaining mp isn't useful since you really don't use MP much at all in raids.
2. Goring Blade - I don't like this ability at all it is a DoT that is just that damage over time on a Tank which really shouldn't be the ones putting dots on a boss. It was nice they gave a riot blade ender, but the effect should of been a buff or debuff effect not a dot.
3. Divine Vale - a slight aoe shield which needs to be triggered by a heal, would be more useful if it just activated when you pressed it but over all not too useful due to its long cooldown healers shouldn't have trouble shielding or healing aoe damage to start with often it just feels like this move isn't needed.
4. Clemency - Paladin often the main tank really shouldn't be using this because it has a cast time and often you will get interrupted. This ability should be instant cast otherwise its never used in raiding. Only has utility when trying to solo harder stuff or old content.
5. Royal Authority - I really this like this move, they gave an alt ending for the RoH combo but RA does nothing but higher potency. This is bad in the overall meta of the game. Because this move has no enmity bonus you can lose hate to warriors since their enmity finisher butchers block is their highest potency move. Honestly this move feels wasted, the high potency finisher should be baked into RoH like warrior, Royal Authority should do lower damage and do some kind of buff or debuff instead.

**Brannigan** · 08-27-2016 03:00 AM

I actually used Clemency quite a bit during progression this time around, so I kinda like it (and Sheltron's MP regen). I kinda hope they add more ways to spend MP on stuff. Certainly wouldn't complain about instant cast, but only real problem with it is being unable to block while casting.

**FeliAiko** · 08-27-2016 03:13 AM

@ThirdChild_ZKI

You're right, I meant to say Heavy. As for BRD, in my view it should've had cast times applied only to the WM skills, then perhaps it wouldn't feel as clunky.

**TiaHariberux3** · 08-27-2016 03:15 AM

Originally Posted by Zumi

I think PLD needs some major improvements and get rid of some of the excess buttons. Most of the 3.0 abilities could be improved.

1. agreed
2. goring blade is fine dps increase
3. true still not that big of a deal
4.Clemency instant would be op 2sec cast time is normal and dont get interrupted very often also its pretty good in pvp
5. butchers block need storms eye or else its way weaker + aggro isnt a problem if you earned a bit of aggro before going to use RA

doesnt seem so "major" to me lol

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