Thread: Apparently, new player means no one can look anything up anymore

Long story short, this kind of scenario is a usual occurrence in leveling dungeons. I queue for random leveling dungeon. We end up in cutter's cry with this guy who is playing a level 40 LNC (yep, not DRG), in early 30s gear (his main weapon was even worse) who died like 8 times because he didn't even bother to dodge basic AoE attacks. Didn't know a single boss fight. Died 3 times during the chimera fight. His excuse? "first run!"

Now I know that there some new players who actually do look up basic dungeon tactics before queueing and I know that people make mistakes (I make plenty of mistakes myself). But when someone obviously does not give enough crap to look up their class or a basic dungeon run. Why would me or anyone else want them to get carried to 60 and continue doing the same thing?

When the game was new there was no videos to look up, those first people through and to figure it out themselves. I do not look at videos on new dungeons, I prefer to experience it first hand not through a video. It spoils it for me watching a video before I do it.

As for the class why don't you offer some advice to the new player and help them out a bit so they can get better instead of complaining.

Originally Posted by Bixillarla

When the game was new there was no videos to look up, those first people through and to figure it out themselves. I do not look at videos on new dungeons, I prefer to experience it first hand not through a video. It spoils it for me watching a video before I do it.

As for the class why don't you offer some advice to the new player and help them out a bit so they can get better instead of complaining.

Fully agree with this and I'm the same as you fully. I prefer experiencing the fight my self first hand not watching videos. To me it feels like cheating.

Originally Posted by Masekase_Hurricane

So quest says at 30 go get job/class quest, no new player knows that this is exactly when you are going to become a DRG etc. Yes they should look at the next reward on the quest but hey you guys are teaching them that it is all rush rush rush.

As for looking up dungeons yes I do it but I disagree that you should have to. Some of you old timers need to remember how many times you died first time. Also he said first time I bet no one on the run took 2 secs out to explain anything.

Actually no. The game tells you what the next class/job quests are for. I made a new fresh character now for fun and every time I unlock a new class quest it reminds me that i should do it ASAP cause it gives me new gear and abilities. Also the main scenario points you towards the Hall of the Novice that teaches you, among other things, that dodging aoe is important.

So no. If you can't dodge AoE attacks at all and did not unlock your job 10 levels after it became available, you are just not trying.

Also it is considered good manners to not play the guessing game and be up front about not knowing what to do. I usually tell that I am a first timer even if I did read the tacts.

Originally Posted by Balipu

Actually no. The game tells you what the next class/job quests are for. I made a new fresh character now for fun and every time I unlock a new class quest it reminds me that i should do it ASAP cause it gives me new gear and abilities. Also the main scenario points you towards the Hall of the Novice that teaches you, among other things, that dodging aoe is important.

So no. If you can't dodge AoE attacks at all and did not unlock your job 10 levels after it became available, you are just not trying.

Also it is considered good manners to not play the guessing game and be up front about not knowing what to do. I usually tell that I am a first timer even if I did read the tacts.

The guy did state first time though as the poster stated, I never said it doesn't show you, I said it doesn't show the importance of having the job. Palace of the dead shows them that they can go all the way to 60 without any problems inside. So why would they think that the missing skills are that important?

Your post is pretty condescending of this player. Yes he is bad for not avoiding aoes and not doing job quests. Did you talk to him? Did you ask if he even knew about it or did you just clap your hands and said "This player is dumb go away!"

I have never expected anyone to look up strats for a dungeon. It's ridiculous. All of the dungeons are so easy to explain you don't and shouldn't need to read a guide to do queue up for them.

This is ridiculous. I think it's more shameful that you couldn't take 30 seconds to explain cutter's cry. It's simple to do so.

Originally Posted by ExKage

I have never expected anyone to look up strats for a dungeon. It's ridiculous. All of the dungeons are so easy to explain you don't and shouldn't need to read a guide to do queue up for them.

This is ridiculous. I think it's more shameful that you couldn't take 30 seconds to explain cutter's cry. It's simple to do so.

I agree. I also look at their overall information to see what other chars they have and at what levels that helps me understand how "fresh" they are either as a player or on that character. If I see 3-4 lvl 60 jobs then they are just being stupid if I see that they are lvling the one they are on I will try and help by explaining. Sometimes it works and some it doesn't, when it doesn't I just think MMO type "pugs rule!!" in chat and never say another word. Who cares let him die.

I have never looked up any guide for an 4-man dungeon, standard trial, hard mode trial, 8 man dungeon, or 24 man raids. It's so much more fun going into something with some mystery.

As far as gear... As a new player if he hasn't been doing dungeons- just fates and potd, I could see having some gear issues.

As far as class quest, the game never instructs you well that at 30 with an alternate class lvled to 15 you start getting more skills than listed on your actions page. I would suggest just talking to him.