Something need to be done in how tanks acquiring Provoke

[lvlagmarink]

There are far lots of occurrence when i joined in into some fights which requires 2 tanking when one of the tank, either WAR or DRK who has yet to acquire provoke, as much as i don't blame them in not knowing the skill usage, it's just causing heartache to those fellow learning tank who hits a wall just because the game doesn't practically tell/force players to acquire it..

Provoke requirement is a must in some contents like Ramuh Ex, moogle Ex, Minstrel ballad ultima, and so on.. Even more important than other crossclass skills like swiftcast, raging strike, and so on..

These duties from ARR still attracts players who has yet to clear them, whereas, most of these players are pretty much new to the game..

As much as i'm concerned, there are some tanks who just went to search for a guide after i told them about provoke importance, there are some who even give up the party and apologize.. However much to my annoyance, there are also some who trolls around and pull the boss, or even cursing at me while i was just stating a fact!

So through here, I'm putting suggestion for the developer to reconsider in making Provoke action to be obtainable by unlocking at least warrior and dark knight's unlocking job quest if the player has yet to get gladiator level to be at least 22..

P.S. - I don't want this thread to be one of those threads that discusses whether those new tanks should search a guide in how to tank by any other means.

[Canadane]

I've done Moogle Ex successfully with a co-tank that didn't have provoke.
That being said, the idea of the game us to level multiple classes. I do think it's fine as is, really. If you encounter a tank without it, they'll soon get the hard lesson in the importance of having needed skills.

[Ametrine]

The gross, vital importance of provoke, swiftcast, and quelling strikes for certain jobs that don't earn anything comparable was a design choice that is repeatedly biting players in the backside.

Despite Black Mage always being one of my absolute favorite jobs in Final Fantasy, I've never leveled it on any of my FFXIV characters (been off and on since PS3 beta) due to the need of Quelling to not drive your party insane.... And I really don't like archer.

It's an unfortunate leftover from 1.0's class design. Cross class skills allowed you to build basically any kind of job you wanted, but the introduction of jobs to give players their old FF roles added a restriction to it to give old players the ability to still use the abilities they had already worked for while not breaking the feel of said jobs.

It's degraded into a tool to make us play other jobs to another grinding wall that some of us have to scale, and it's worse for certain jobs, including tanks.

[Ametrine]

I feel Astrologian's Lightspeed skill is a step in the right direction. It basically jacks your healing spell speed while lowering MP costs, and it allows their resurrection skill to have a cast time on par with a regular Benefict cure. Essentially, an AST could "get away with" not having Swiftcast, but good luck convincing some players that!

It's a slippery slope. The current system works, but it's lopsided as some jobs don't require this kind of extra effort for skills.

[Norleas]

Provoke is very important, it can be extremely hard to tankswap even though it's essential in some fights. I think tanks aside from PLD should get a buff that temporarily drastically increases enmity generation.

[Ksenia]

I'm surprised there were never aggro stats on some of the class specific weapons. and aggro reduction on some of the jewelry for that matter.

[lvlagmarink]

If you encounter a tank without it, they'll soon get the hard lesson in the importance of having needed skills.

This is not true to some players or at least having their lesson learned straight away, i've once met a WAR tank in titan extreme who didn't have any provoke.. MT told him to provoke at 3 vulnerability debuff, he couldn't swap tanking and only said 'I'm trying". Later on, I checked his gladiator level and told the party that said player doesn't even have provoke accessible. Duty got abandoned after that.. But it didn't end at that duty, i met the same tank again at titan extreme, this time dude pulled without having protect being casted on him.. The fight turned chaotic and everyone left after wiping.. If one would think dude had learned his lesson about provoke importance, that's wrong.. I met the same player again but this time in ramuh extreme with me as a tank.. I just told the party that it's not possible to do and sat in the corner until we reached time to abandon duty..

There's even another occurence where we had a WAR in ultima HM and chose to go afk midfight after being reprimanded by the party about not having provoke, guess what? We wiped from ultima enrage at 1% and the party chat was full of #%##{#%..

Provoke is very important, it can be extremely hard to tankswap even though it's essential in some fights. I think tanks aside from PLD should get a buff that temporarily drastically increases enmity generation.

WAR and DRK have sudden burst enmity gained from berserk+unchained and dark art, but those things are still insufficient to gain fully aggro especially if that player died and reached the bottom of enmity list which is common since death occurrence in learning extreme trials are kinda normal.

[Dorander]

Warriors already have to get GLD to 15 just to unlock their soul crystal. If they are unwilling to push it 7 more levels to 22 for a REQUIRED endgame skill, they fully deserve every bit of grief and kicking they get until they get off their butts and do it. There is absolutely no reason whatsoever for people to get to max level on one job, and not have the required cross class skills for that job. With the exception of Mantra (PUG 42), the highest you have to take any class for a skill is 34. Swiftcast is only level 26, Healers who can't manage that much of THM make me suspect of their ability to be a healer anyway.

Any lower level job receives a massive experience boost: 100% up to 50, and 50% 50+, so it's not like it's going to take days. At most a couple hours.

[seekified]

Any lower level job receives a massive experience boost: 100% up to 50, and 50% 50+, so it's not like it's going to take days. At most a couple hours.

Add to that the Brand-new Ring that everyone should have by now, and the Friendship Circlet that most people could probably have by now if they wanted to, and hitting level 22 on any job really is no work at all.

That being said, SE's stance on crossclassing has been very odd these last couple of years. They routinely design EX trials that require certain crossclassed skills but at the same time, Heavensward took a marked step away from crossclassing in general.

[Werhusky]

I did T1 when recent on WAR without provoke *shame* in the 5th weekly I realised my accuracy was too low lol
The game is doable without voke and such but I agree that SOMETHING ingame should tell ppl to pick up crossclasses, maybe a possible crossclassabilities preview/recommendation.