Why are people complaining about the relic nerf?

[Welsper59]

I don't see why people would complain, it happened to the first one and we all knew it was going to happen to this one as well. People didn't HAVE to grind, craft or pay to get the relic first but they chose to knowing full well nerfs would come to the step.

You overestimate the mental capacity that people have to reflect on their decisions or the future outcomes of, particularly with the rush mentality people. Most of your peers are of the mentality of shoot first, ask questions later. The relation being how there's something new and (seemingly) achievable, and they want it right away without learning more about it and what's likely to come in the future (e.g. reducing the time or difficulty of obtaining it). They did not know, because they don't think. They'll reflect on how obvious it was later, like asking questions later, then point the blame on anything or anyone but themselves. Typical outcome.

[Nihility]

I know 2 people in my FC that came back from a break and just finished that step last week who were in my opinion rightfully ticked off.

But as part of a group that has been doing them asap, we've taken to calling them esoteric weapons instead of anima weapons and are happy to see the nerf

What is a bit confusing though is 240 weapons are now kind of a joke to get so motivation for working on more relics past the first is way way down

[JustPlainLucas]

Why? Some are saying its a huge slap to the people who done it. Some are saying to keep it hard so the relic is earned. In Novice chat one was raging about the 210 step and how he just lost alot of money cause nobody will buy his crafted items required for it. Seriously?

I love people who think grinding for items is "hard". These grinds are not hard. They're time sinks. There's no skill at all involved, just farm this dungeon and farm these tomes. The first relic quest, now that was a challenge. I still remember people struggling to figure out how to beat Chimera. Then there was the Hydra, and of course the Primals. Reducing the number of tomes needed to get these items isn't really a nerf, just a time saver.

[JustPlainLucas]

people were playing a game and had fun no? hows that time lost pls explain ^^

Honestly, the most fun I had was finishing the damn 240 step knowing that I finally had free time to start leveling other jobs. No, the grind wasn't fun. The only reason I did it was because I dislike raiding.

[KoroushSensei]

A few days before the nerf i spent 4m on the 210 crafted items. if i knew i can get them for 5000 gc i would have saved 4m

[Archaell]

The relic is a casual weapon and so it's almost impossible to nerf it.

Do you know why we get the nerf? So that more players are more likely to waste their time doing it... because if the wall is huge the players are going to say "NOPE!" and not even bother starting it.

My personal issue with the relic is that SE could give players choice to balance the difficulty with time sink yet they do not do that. Imagine that for the last step you could instead of 240 antitower runs kill NidEx 60 times or that midas savage would drop 10 umbrites per floor etc. That would be much more bearable because the players would be rewarded for more difficult tasks towards the relic... yet nope. We just get the time sink for supposedly legendary weapons.

[Lokier]

I'm just glad I'm a lazy shit. I didn't bother attempting the weapon then, and I probably wont attempt it now, haha.

[MilesSaintboroguh]

The relic is a casual weapon and so it's almost impossible to nerf it.

Do you know why we get the nerf? So that more players are more likely to waste their time doing it... because if the wall is huge the players are going to say "NOPE!" and not even bother starting it.

My personal issue with the relic is that SE could give players choice to balance the difficulty with time sink yet they do not do that. Imagine that for the last step you could instead of 240 antitower runs kill NidEx 60 times or that midas savage would drop 10 umbrites per floor etc. That would be much more bearable because the players would be rewarded for more difficult tasks towards the relic... yet nope. We just get the time sink for supposedly legendary weapons.

In that case, why bother with the relic at all? Just go after the niddy weapon and savage weapons. You'll be done faster.

[Sparktacus]

I would be more offended that on patch day you can buy a weapon that is 10 item levels better. Buy (or craft it yourself).

Relics need a complete overhaul. Here's to 4.0 wishful thinking.

[Istaru]

I would be more offended that on patch day you can buy a weapon that is 10 item levels better. Buy (or craft it yourself).

Relics need a complete overhaul. Here's to 4.0 wishful thinking.

I agree with you. I would add that to itemization in general needs a complete overhaul, but that is me.