Fix paladin. Only Class in the entire game that cannot...

[Khalithar]

Then every job is a true knight ? No wonder some people feel that PLD lacks proper identity.

I feel like they missed a golden opportunity with the pld 50-60 storyline. In my opinion, they should have had the pld face off against a band of the arrogant ishgard knights that only care about their own glory and victory instead of protecting the innocent/common people of Ishgard. I couldn't believe they didn't use that as the Job story.

[Reynhart]

What difference does it make whether you Rampart someone else or take the blow yourself with Rampart active, except that you have more base mitigation that most and would have access to the enhanced versions.

Because sometimes, you're not the one tanking the boss...
You could put it on top of a Vengeance+Inner Beast or ShadowSkin+(DA)DarkMind combo to achieve high mitigation without automatically using a 3min CD...and staying in Sword Oath.

As for Sheltron, I also think it should be an AoE conal block, so it could intercept a blow not directed at you.

In my opinion, they should have had the pld face off against a band of the arrogant ishgard knights that only care about their own glory and victory instead of protecting the innocent/common people of Ishgard.

You mean protecting an innocent againt temple knights ? Welcome to DRK storyline.
Wouldn't "The Knight and the Maiden fair" be more suited for a PLD quest ?

[Jandor]

I feel like they missed a golden opportunity with the pld 50-60 storyline. In my opinion, they should have had the pld face off against a band of the arrogant ishgard knights that only care about their own glory and victory instead of protecting the innocent/common people of Ishgard. I couldn't believe they didn't use that as the Job story.

Instead we get to prance about in the snow waving soul stones at each other and being retarded.

[Reynhart]

Instead we get to prance about in the snow waving soul stones at each other and being retarded.

Well, who can resist the appeal of a long, hard and shiny phallic symbol...

Spoiler Alert : DRK's is longer...

[Khalithar]

You mean protecting an innocent againt temple knights ? Welcome to DRK storyline.
Wouldn't "The Knight and the Maiden fair" be more suited for a PLD quest ?

No not protecting someone from the temple knights. More along the lines of some dragons attacking some civilians and the temple knights care only about the glory of killing the larger dragons (which guarantees them prestige in Ishgardian society) while ignoring the little ones going after the civilians. It would be on the paladin to spend time defending and protecting others rather than being only interested in killing dragons for the prestige/rewards.

[Rinion]

I haven't read the entire thread but I think that Flash doing no damage can actually be a good thing? Like when bosses become invulnerable, you can still get hate on them if needed (looking at you last boss of Halatali normal ¬.¬). I admit it would be nice to have another AoE option that actually did damage but I don't think flash is SO bad.

[Daniolaut]

Why effectively remove Flash, only to then bake it into Circle of Scorn? You're changing Flash to a physical Unleash, and then giving CoS a blind. Why though?

Flash would be an action not a weaponskill (off the global cooldown) with my suggestion.


So it would be more like Dark Messenger, not unleash.

War Drum, or Circle of Scorn would cost MP, thus becoming the "Unleash" similar weaponskill. (On the global cooldown.)

Then the blind would still be with flash, and would be encouraged, at certain moments to be timed, since its on a 25 second cooldown.

I think that Flash doing no damage can actually be a good thing? Like when bosses become invulnerable, you can still get hate on them if needed (looking at you last boss of Halatali normal ¬.¬). .

The reason Paladin/Gladiator pretty much sucks at keeping threat *in comparison* to warrior or dark knight at low levels, is because flash doesnt deal damage.

Since overpower and unleash both do damage, as well as Steel cyclone, while also generating enmity on top of the damage, neither tank job should ever have enmity issues at any level.

Paladin/Gladiator on the other hand, when using flash, is only generating enmity, so the enmity calculation isnt enhanced because of the lack of damage.

Which i personally feel, overrides any situational moment where you need threat but cant hit an enemy, as your enmity calculation with wardrum, or circle of scorn, now being your main source of area of effect enmity, would be enhanced with damage, thus not needing the "extra" in such a situation because youre now generating proper enmity because of the enmity calculation enhancement from damage.

[Reynhart]

The reason Paladin/Gladiator pretty much sucks at keeping threat *in comparison* to warrior or dark knight at low levels, is because flash doesnt deal damage.

Wrong.
Flash enmity scales with your stats and have an enmity modifier on par with Overpower or Unleash. The reason why PLD can have issues is because it needs to wait until level 40 to learn its tank stance.

Yet, even with that, enmity is not an issue in the end...The reason why people want Flash to be changed is for MOAR AoE DEEPS !!!

[ADVSS]

Wrong.
Flash enmity scales with your stats and have an enmity modifier on par with Overpower or Unleash. The reason why PLD can have issues is because it needs to wait until level 40 to learn its tank stance.

Yet, even with that, enmity is not an issue in the end...The reason why people want Flash to be changed is for MOAR AoE DEEPS !!!

I dont blame them though that they do though, its not like pld is highest single target damage tank which warrents being awful at aoe damage for balancing sake.

[Daniolaut]

Wrong.

Good job on explaining something that doesnt actually happen in game, and then also not backing it up with any kind of actual proof.


Also, stating i'm wrong flat out, and not following with any kind of sensible statement is actually quite annoying, as well as ... well... youre not correct.

Seeing as youre someone who has been playing since 1.0, and has all three tanks level 60, i would expect you not to say such things.


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Overpower:
Level 12
Deals damage with a potency of 120
Additional effect: Increased Enmity

Unleash:
Level 8
Deals damage with a potency of 100
Additional effect: Increased Enmity

Flash:
Level 8
Increases enmity to enemies nearby.
Additional effect: Blind

(basically stand there and get hit.)

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So as you can see, right off the bat, anyone with a little bit of common sense, would know that 120 potency is more than 100, so warrior will stand on top of area of effect threat generation in comparison to just flash and unleash, no other factors.

Cause 120>100>0

(overpower>Unleash>Flash)

First dungeon level 15.

Warrior also gets maim at level 18. So, for a maximum of 3 dungeons you go without maim...

BUT warrior gains the most enmity due to the fact they have the highest potency.

Dark Knight gets Dark Side at level 30 which increases damage by 15%

Both

Warrior and Dark Knight get their tank stance at level 30, which increases enmity.


So...

120+20% > 100+15% > 0 +0%

(Overpower > Unleash > Flash)


So the real situation why Paladin wants an area of effect attack, is to not only do damage, but since Fight or Flight does *not* affect flash's enmity calculator, but Dark Side does, and obviously the tank stances.

You should now probably maybe see why paladin is lacking.

But most likely you'll try and nit pick any nonesense about a shield or something else, and magically say i'm wrong.

I even asked that their area of effect do only 90 potency just to be fair. Seriously its not that big of a suggestion.


I even made a video for you! check it out:

https://youtu.be/IOYi7qHfXXM