Fix paladin. Only Class in the entire game that cannot...

[Launched]

Maybe if you only pull a single pack. Pull even two packs and the combined damage will interrupt you. And if we're talking about letting your healer have sick AoE deeps you'd want more than 1 pack... and also, I reiterate, I dunno why/how you'd be taking enough damage from 3 mobs to warrant the casting of a 1200 potency heal.

You'd be better off popping one of those cooldown things, allowing both the healer AND yourself to DPS.

You don't get interrupted by cumulative damage. It's based on a percentage of your max hp, a single hit is either above that amount or below, and most trash mobs are below.

[Brannigan]

Maybe if you only pull a single pack. Pull even two packs and the combined damage will interrupt you.

No it won't. I pull everything the game lets you in Sohr Kai and don't get interrupted.

[SyzzleSpark]

I see. Well I guess if this illustrates anything its that I've never stopped to cast something in the middle of a max-sized pull, because I'm generally hitting cooldowns and killing things. Which I still submit as the more effective use of anyone's time. Overhealing damage that would otherwise be negligible had you popped CDs, AND not DPSing (because you're casting), seems... well. Lets say inefficient.

The argument I've seen a few times in this thread that implies your healer can't DPS unless you cast Clemency is pretty ludicrous. You can both DPS, and healers will Holy/Gravity/Broil-Bane every bit as much with a good DRK or WAR. Only things will die faster in the latter two cases because those tanks use cooldowns and not casts.

[Brannigan]

You know you can hit your cooldowns and do some damage before you start casting, right? It's not like using Clemency removes Rampart. Buying the healer an extra GCD in cleric stance can be helpful sometimes. Then again, it's all dungeons so it doesn't really matter.

Only things will die faster in the latter two cases because those tanks use cooldowns and not casts.

What

Perhaps you meant "those tanks are attacking and not casting?"

[SyzzleSpark]

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Sorry, I guess I thought that with the word "cooldowns" there was the implication in this context that they can be weaved in between damaging GCDs where Clemency cannot. And if you had cooldowns like Rampart up, a good healer putting up a regen/shield and stuns/slows, I didn't see whence the big damage would be coming that would require a heal the size of Clemency; ergo, both PLD+healer could be DPSing.

[SpookyGhost]

Sorry, I guess I thought that with the word "cooldowns" there was the implication in this context that they can be weaved in between damaging GCDs where Clemency cannot. And if you had cooldowns like Rampart up, a good healer putting up a regen/shield and stuns/slows, I didn't see whence the big damage would be coming that would require a heal the size of Clemency; ergo, both PLD+healer could be DPSing.

If that Clemency gives your healer even a single extra AOE GCD then you're looking at a gDPS gain that PLD could never achieve in place of that AOE GCD since... it has no AOE (outside of CoS (which is oGCD)).

e: Also Clemency = 1+ AOE GCD(s) doesn't necessarily work in DF but if you can actually coordinate with your healer you can pull it off. Then again if I was using PLD in DF I'd probably Clemency anyway lol

[SessionZero]

Dunno if anyone has mentioned this, but also take Shield Swipe off the GCD. DRK and WAR both have interrupts that sit off the GCD and it's infuriating to watch an interrupt-able attack counting down on an enemy name plate while Shield Swipe is also on GCD, when a DRK or WAR can immediately use their interrupt whenever it's off CD.

[LilLemay]

Dunno if anyone has mentioned this, but also take Shield Swipe off the GCD. DRK and WAR both have interrupts that sit off the GCD and it's infuriating to watch an interrupt-able attack counting down on an enemy name plate while Shield Swipe is also on GCD, when a DRK or WAR can immediately use their interrupt whenever it's off CD.

I'm assuming you mean shield bash, not shield swipe? As long as that cooldown wasn't 20s or however long WAR/DRK is.. I'd still say even with the GcD lock PLD still has the best stun simply because theirs isn't stuck behind a long cooldown or reliant on a proc (i'm pretty sure lowblow can be refreshed faster with a proc? maybe?)

[SessionZero]

I'm assuming you mean shield bash, not shield swipe? As long as that cooldown wasn't 20s or however long WAR/DRK is.. I'd still say even with the GcD lock PLD still has the best stun simply because theirs isn't stuck behind a long cooldown or reliant on a proc (i'm pretty sure lowblow can be refreshed faster with a proc? maybe?)

Shield Whatever-the-stun-one-is. I've had more problems stunning on PLD than I do on DRK, but maybe that's just me. Others I've had the discussion with seemed to agree with my assessment, so I just assumed that was the general consensus.

[Archaell]

Shield Whatever-the-stun-one-is. I've had more problems stunning on PLD than I do on DRK, but maybe that's just me. Others I've had the discussion with seemed to agree with my assessment, so I just assumed that was the general consensus.

The stun being without CD provides a lot of utility. When you can time the GCDs right it allows you to chain stun multiple targets, which is one of the differences that makes paladin stand out.

Some changes like extra effects for the duration of the stun would be nice, but I would not touch the GCD.