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  1. #111
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reliquia View Post
    The stakes are however failing at attaining that large WoW playerbase and losing it's niche. Most FFXI players who played at launch turned their backs pretty fast, they might give it another chance down the line when 2.0 comes out, but don't expect them to come running when FFXIV hasn't met their needs. When it comes to that large WoW playerbase, FFXIV is already in a pickle, because the most spread mentality (from review and word of mouth from people who played at launch) is that this game is a failure.

    The major appeal for FFXIV is it's FF brand, there's only so much innovation can do at this point, especially taken into consideration it's damaged reputation. The only thing FFXIV has as an advantage over XI is it's youth. FFXI has been going on for almost 10 years successfully, but the graphics are getting old, the content is stretched, the gap between the average player and the newbie is too big and the playerbase is on the decline. This game also has promising potential. Aside from that FFXI is at advantage at mostly everything.

    These players are going to want to play another MMO that gave them so many fond memories and moments, and if these are after the average western rpg setup then am sorry to say that the competition is fierce, there are better options. On top of that, the average Final Fantasy player is also a loyal player that will play for years to come given that this game succeeds and fulfills their needs.

    2.0 is the the pinnacle that's going to define if this game will survive or not, I will not be as merciful then as I was at 1.19.

    Ok that was a hell of a long text just to say give us FFXI-2 for the sake of nostalgia and safe bets on an existing player base. That being said. 2.0 is a relaunch, unlike anything other failed mmos did out there and it is the first launch on the PS3(not a relaunch as for PC) and if SE markets it right, then it will attract a big crowd of curious players.

    Now if 2.0 meets all these player's expectations, meaning it fits 2011-12 mmo standards plus has something to offer more than the competition then it will have a successful launch and they can from there build a very large player base.

    Going the lets re-enact FFXI with better graphics route, to please a small and ever diminishing player base is pure suicide.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skyrant_Kangaroomouse View Post
    I believe it if i see it. I will quit if i see people jump around in town. I just can't take it, it ruins my immersion and fun.

    @OP, it's not about looking WoW-ish. It has nothing to do with WoW, other MMO's had jumping. I don't know what you try to say, but i know that no matter how you make the animation look, it's still jumping.

    Restrict it to areas that you need to jump? Yes, why not, can always make characters automatically jump. Nothing is more frustrating than trying to jumping over a bottomless pit and falling down every time because the timing is off/there is lag.

    You see, the game has enough problems already, there is no need to introduce another problem right now. Jumping is gonna cause problems and more work and it's not needed in my opinion.
    See you later then /jump /jump /jump
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    Quote Originally Posted by Onidemon View Post
    Ok that was a hell of a long text just to say give us FFXI-2 for the sake of nostalgia and safe bets on an existing player base. That being said. 2.0 is a relaunch, unlike anything other failed mmos did out there and it is the first launch on the PS3(not a relaunch as for PC) and if SE markets it right, then it will attract a big crowd of curious players.

    Now if 2.0 meets all these player's expectations, meaning it fits 2011-12 mmo standards plus has something to offer more than the competition then it will have a successful launch and they can from there build a very large player base.

    Going the lets re-enact FFXI with better graphics route, to please a small and ever diminishing player base is pure suicide.
    FFXIV will not be able to pull the wow playerbase, maybe a fraction. The amount of WoW clones out there are many, and they are a lot better than this game in that field. This games reputation is broken, the game barely meets standards to be a functional MMO. Lets not kid ourselves here, like I said the only appeal this game has in the Final Fantasy brand, and building on just that is the only saving grace for this game. It should cultivate it's roots, try to make a FF game that plays like WoW and you have a failure.

    You can blame FFXi all you want for not being as succesfull as WoW, but just because it was different and offered something that other MMOs did not is the reason to why that game has had a steady lifespan over all these years.

    Of course I am not saying that this should be FFXI with updated graphics, what I'm saying on the other hand is stop trying to assimilate to other MMOs out there, but bear in mind the MMO identity that FFXI built and revolutionize it, because it's better to build on own success than try to copy everything else.

    FFXIVs future rests on a thin thread, this might just as well be what decides it's fate.
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    Last edited by Reliquia; 11-10-2011 at 12:56 AM.

  4. #114
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reliquia View Post
    FFXIV will not be able to pull the wow playerbase, maybe a fraction. The amount of WoW clones out there are many, and they are a lot better than this game in that field. This games reputation is broken, the game barely meets standards to be a functional MMO. Lets not kid ourselves here, like I said the only appeal this game has in the Final Fantasy brand, and building on just that is the only saving grace for this game. It should cultivate it's roots, try to make a FF game that plays like WoW and you have a failure.

    You can blame FFXi all you want for not being as succesfull as WoW, but just because it was different and offered something that other MMOs did not is the reason to why that game has had a steady lifespan over all these years.

    Of course I am not saying that this should be FFXI with updated graphics, what I'm saying on the other hand is stop trying to assimilate to other MMOs out there, but bear in mind the MMO identity that FFXI built and revolutionize it, because it's better to build on own success than try to copy everything else.

    FFXIVs future rests on a thin thread, this might just as well be what decides it's fate.

    You would really suck at business, plz don't take it bad. FFXIV did have a bad launch but publicly admitting their mistake, changing director and team, basically redoing the whole game (2.0, new engine, new maps, new story, new servers and many more) is giving them a new chance.

    They are not simply patching a broken game but almost coming up with a new one. And reading comments from other websites after the announcement, i see that the majority are hopeful and interested in the 2.0 release. Also the PS3 version never came out, this will be the first time on PS3 and if the game is done right, then they have a huge playerbase of PS3 owners to tap in which WOW and other mmos do not have.

    I played WOW for years and never found any other mmo that could match it, and i tried a lot of them. That being said, I'm sick and tired of WOW and i'm not the only one. WOW's numbers are shrinking... people grew out of it and are looking for something else. This is where SE can make their move, given that they succeed with 2.0. Final Fantasy is a brand new with millions of fans world wide, there is much potential from that if they come up with a FF MMo that will honor the legendary RPG brand name.

    Now if we follow ur logic.... They should kill FFXI, which they want to keep running along side FFXIV btw. Reforge 2.0 to please that existing playerbase which is already giving SE money and admit defeat with FFXIV and hope that the FFXI vets will stay long enough for SE to cover for all the money they sinked into FFXIV thus far.... Great business plan right?
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    I can't arue with most of that, because I mostly agree. But 2.0 and PS3 launch are the two most important events when it comes to player recruitment, the problem is that launch was a failure. I don't disagree that they are rebooting the game rather than patching it (those who aren't familiar with this game might not be as understanding, and that's a lot of potential players), but the fact that they have to has already scared them. There are many gamers who will not give this game the 2nd chance it might or might not deserve.

    Now when it comes to FFXI, I see where you are comming from. But the population from FFXI is declining, much like you stated your situation with WoW is the way that a lot of the FFXI players feel. Most of these players want to be able to jump over to FFXIV as long as it meets their demands. I was merely stating that I don't want this game to be a Final Fantasy with a WoW interface
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    I used to stand in the mall with my designer clothes jumping around everywhere. Eventually a security guard escorted me out of the mall, saying shoppers were complaining about their "Immersion" being ruined.
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    It really all depends on whether the game demans you to use Jump in an intelligent/challenging/fun way.. or whether it's just a random yet seemingly useless addition.

    For jumping over or up certain areas... climbing is so much more natural, that when you see players in a game jumping over terrain, it just looks incredibly silly.

    Really, jumping is not something you do a whole lot... You can jump over small things while running.. or you can jump to avoid some kind of swiping attack.. or you can jump a small cliff... But you don't 'hurdle' over fences.. you climb over them, either really climb a tall fence or you just grab the fence and swing your body over....

    Here's something I really like from BF3



    And then there's the way Link interracts with objects... climbing and jumping when approaching objects... but FFXIV is an MMO, and it's rather complicated to handle which objects can you climb and jump over...

    I personally think the old WoW-Jump, where you simply move up in the air with whatever velocity you had when you jumped... is going to die out once games start adding more advanced ways to move.
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    only badies who are to lazy to pay attention why playing don't want jump the invisible walls and 2 foot fences keep them from running to far out the way when they afk every where they go. not to mention they might actually have to use it to avoid something. witch means they have to do more than spam 1-2-3-4 why the game turns their char for them. as if this game is not easy and boring enough can't believe there is lames that don't want this feature.
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    my house is in rebuilding stage. this house is very small and in unpopular area.
    the roof, floors, plumbing, and gas are all broke.
    my landlord fired the original crew. for not completing the job on time
    the new crew comes in and makes all kinds of promises, and shows me pics.
    now for next year i have to wait for them to finish the job.
    should I move to a more popular, bigger house rent it for same price?
    or stay in the part of my house that is not being rebuilt. but still pay same rent as others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by irongripz View Post
    only badies who are to lazy to pay attention why playing don't want jump the invisible walls and 2 foot fences keep them from running to far out the way when they afk every where they go. not to mention they might actually have to use it to avoid something. witch means they have to do more than spam 1-2-3-4 why the game turns their char for them. as if this game is not easy and boring enough can't believe there is lames that don't want this feature.
    I'm sorry.. what?
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    Implement jump like FFXIII, problem solved, /closethread
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