Customary "When are summoners getting new summons" thread

[Ametrine]

Even then, I just don't really see a reason to add Summon 4 or Summon 5 when we have the option to build upon the current set just as well. Actually, that's what I'm hoping for in 4.0.

The glamours are the easy way out, sure, but SMN, as is, is quite powerful, and SCH is a monster.

Might as well give us Puppeteer or Beastmaster if we're going that far.

[SigmaOZ]

I wish by Egi glamours SE means summons like the ones seen in Final Fantasy X!...

Can you imagine how cool would it be to have a smaller, human sized version of the real Garuda, Ifrit and Titan!?...

That way we could use them just like Yuna does in FFX, just watch a video of her using Shiva and you'll see how cool they look!...

They would look fantastic but then SE might come up with the memory limitations excuse since they would be basically another full character on screen and not just a pet with a few polygons!...

[Fourbestintoner]

All I want is to replace Garuda with wind up Succubus, SE.

[Mature]

Might be a bit off topic but i would like new egis. I think is time to add some on like Shiva ramuh etc

[Lambdafish]

Literally, anything but a damage-on-hit-taken ally-applicable shield, a stun, a knockback, a self-AoE, a target-AoE, an enmity-enhanced-AoE, or self-mitigation for Summoner; or a AoE HoT, an AoE +%healing received buff, an AoE cleanse, or an AoE 3% attack speed buff at half-uptime for Scholar. That's a lot of options.

The devs explained their philosophy at the start of 3.0 in that they want to move away from creating a mass pet job and instead focus on giving the skills to the SMN itself (hence bahamut being a "trance" not a pet), this being more balanced, less of a strain on resources, and overall would produce a more interesting job (i.e. the alternative is you get one new pet and no new skills). The egi glamour is to make up with their change of heart when it comes to pets.

On an unrelated subject, can we not have more pets and instead balance the ones we already have? There is very little reason to use anything but Garuda because contagion2strongplznerf (or don't but at least make the other pets more viable)

[Teraluna]

Veering off the road, by a considerable margin

I'd love a pet that wasn't a pet - but a companion. Maybe an aether duplicate of an npc from the msq that you summoned to aid you. They could have the same abilities as the current pets, so really just a shift in looks - but I think it would be great fighting along side some of the past/current characters.

[Tolmos]

Can you imagine how cool would it be to have a smaller, human sized version of the real Garuda, Ifrit and Titan!?...

Final Fantasy XI would like to say hello.

[LineageRazor]

if it's only glamour, then what would happen to the pet's skill animations? (especially enkindle)
are they going to stay the same?
would my emerald carby perform aerial blast?

This, frankly, is the reason it's taken them so long to implement them. There's not many changes that need to be made for Emerald and Topaz Carbuncle, since they already have equivalents to their Egis' moves, but they do need a new Enkindle animation (Searing Light would be a good choice for Emerald Carby, since that's the ultimate move Carbuncle used in FFXI). Similarly, any other Glamours will need to have entirely new animations designed for every ability they mimic. If you glamour Shiva over Ifrit, for example, it wouldn't make a lot of sense for Shiva-Egi to use moves like Inferno or Crimson Cyclone! She would instead use Diamond Dust and Glacier Bash.

It's also why I believe that each glamour will likely only be able to be applied to one type of summon. Otherwise, they'd need to make animations for all three summons, for every glamour!

[Jandor]

The devs explained their philosophy at the start of 3.0 in that they want to move away from creating a mass pet job and instead focus on giving the skills to the SMN itself (hence bahamut being a "trance" not a pet), this being more balanced, less of a strain on resources, and overall would produce a more interesting job.

I personally would have been really happy if the last 2 Summoner skills had been:
Summon IV - uses attunement to upgrade your summon to Bahamut-egi. Also makes Ruin III cheaper.
Enkindle II - commands Summon IV to go absolutely mental at a cost of tiring himself out and turning back in to Garuda.

Damage and gameplay wise I think you should end up in roughly the same place as current Summoner but with a more 'summonery' feel .
Although I'm not speaking from personal experience there, I was pretty disappointed with the lack of pet focus and dropped the job in 3.0.

[Tolmos]

The devs explained their philosophy at the start of 3.0 in that they want to move away from creating a mass pet job and instead focus on giving the skills to the SMN itself (hence bahamut being a "trance" not a pet), this being more balanced, less of a strain on resources, and overall would produce a more interesting job (i.e. the alternative is you get one new pet and no new skills). The egi glamour is to make up with their change of heart when it comes to pets.

It would actually make me really sad if this is the route they go down. Summoner would be a title, only, in this case and really it would just be utility based black mage with some of their DPS tied to a killable NPC. I consider that neither fun, nor a pet class

I would much prefer to see them go the opposite route, putting MORE emphasis on the pet in order to make it a more interesting and unique job, sort of like the summoner in Aion, where the player is more like a puppet master and the bulk of the power and abilities come from the pet itself.

De-emphasizing the pet on the only pet class just makes it more homogeneous with the other classes, IMO.