Thread: [DEV REQUEST] Let 1.0 legacy items/tattoo/bonuses be account wide.

EDIT: This post also offers the suggestion to merge the 1.0 character and anything it has into a chosen 2.0 character, so no extra characters can have the 1.0 tattoo or any other items.

Hello, some may remember me from a few days ago when I posted in the tattoo thread, where I mentioned I'll be making a post to draw attention to this for those affected.

First off, please let me explain my personal situation. I play MMORPG's with my partner - we played XI together and currently play XIV.

We played the alpha and beta of Final Fantasy XIV 1.0 and we both purchased the original game at release (I got the collector's edition). However, my partner's computer wasn't able to run the game and because a PS3 version of 1.0 was intended to be released, we decided to quit until that was released and went back to FFXI. This was before SE began to bill for 1.0, so we never paid any subscription fees. This was only because I only wanted to play the game with my bf and we were waiting for the PS3 release of 1.0 that never came.

Fast forward to 2.3, we picked up a trial of FFXIV:ARR each and got into it, this time my partner's computer could run it. When we arranged billing on the Mogstation, we saw no characters from 1.0 listed and given we'd heard that Dalamud had killed a lot of characters off, we assumed that only Warriors of Light (those who had completed the 1.x storyline) had survived and that our characters were dead. Because our 1.0 characters weren't listed in the Mogstation, we made new characters and were none the wiser. I also never received an email from SE (they often send emails enticing people back to XI and XIV, so I don't see why they didn't send us one for 2.0)

It was only the other day in the tattoo thread, where I saw it mentioned that *all* 1.0 characters got tattoos and got curious. I checked what my old 1.0 server was called (Selbina) and found it was now Ridill, on the Gaia data centre (JP). Sure enough, my two 1.0 characters (and my partner's when he checked) were there, still alive. I logged them in and changed the appearance of one to match my current main character and seeing the Hermes shoes and outdated items that gave me nostalgia for a game I missed out on made me quite emotional due to remembering friends and areas in 1.0. I could have used this character, had SE listed them in Mogstation when I set up billing for our 2.0 accounts.

With my situation explained, I would now like to outline my request. Please allow any 1.0 rewards attained by a character on a service account to be attainable by *all* characters on that service account. If for some reason people think that's too much, how about letting us absorb a 1.0 character into an existing 2.0 character, giving them everything they had and deleting them in the progress. That way, you're not getting extra characters.

I don't want to give up everything I've done in the two years since making my 2.0 character, mainly my house and wedding ring (the date is the first day marriages were available and I want to keep that), to get a tattoo that I should have in the first place, had SE notified me in any way that my characters weren't dead.

I would like to add that I am *not* in any way, asking for things I haven't already earned by playing 1.0. I'm not after a Laurel Goobbue mount, or a Legacy Chocobo, I just want what my character should've had if SE had given any hint at all that my 1.0 character survived. .

Here's a post from another player that's on similar lines:

Originally Posted by Tamianth

All I wish for, is for ALL chars on a Legacy account to have the neck tattoo! I had to remake at the start of ARR, and have worked solidly on my char now for years, but my old, unused char is the one with the tattoo I wish they would let all on a Legacy account have the tattoo

tl;dr: Bf and I are former 1.0 players, came back in 2.3 and made new characters because we were led to believe our old characters are dead and we really want the legacy tattoo our 1.0 characters earned on our 2.0 characters, because we don't think it's our fault the 1.0 characters weren't listed.

And finally, a visual of the main thing I want to have on my 2.0 character.

I wouldn't oppose that there would be an option on the mogstation that would allow you to transfer or move some rewards between characters, or even the character merge you propose, but making it account wide would be too much, because the legacy tattoo is a consequence of the events the character lived through for existing in Eorzea before 2.0 and has lore implications, even as subtle as they were.

Edit: I've seen posts like this pop up ever since 1.0 closed it's doors, and I always wonder, regardless of personal circumstances why make new characters if there where several free server transfers, a paid server transfer soon after release and free phials of fantasia for everyone?

Anyway I'm never opposed as to giving more options to the players, the merge characters one would be neat I think.

Originally Posted by Felis

Legacy bonuses are account wide
Tattoo is no Legacy bonus, but a "created during 1.0" character bonus.

If the character was created during 1.0, it will have the tattoo regardless of your legacy status
If the character was not created during 1.0, it will not have the tattoo regardless of your legacy status

I'm not asking for Legacy status. I don't have it, I didn't earn it and I don't expect it. That was not the intention of this post.
I used the word "bonus" to encompass everyone in my situtation that did earn bonuses during 1.0. It was not my intention to state that the tattoo was exclusive to those with legacy status. I also already know the circumstances a character currently gets a 1.0 tattoo.

Originally Posted by Heybunny

I would like to add that I am *not* in any way, asking for things I haven't already earned by playing 1.0. I'm not after a Laurel Goobbue mount, or a Legacy Chocobo, I just want what my character should've had if SE had given any hint at all that my 1.0 character survived.

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Originally Posted by Dannythm

I wouldn't oppose that there would be an option on the mogstation that would allow you to transfer or move some rewards between characters, or even the character merge you propose, but making it account wide would be too much, because the legacy tattoo is a consequence of the events the character lived through for existing in Eorzea before 2.0 and has lore implications, even as subtle as they were.

Edit: I've seen posts like this pop up ever since 1.0 closed it's doors, and I always wonder, regardless of personal circumstances why make new characters if there where several free server transfers, a paid server transfer soon after release and free phials of fantasia for everyone?

Anyway I'm never opposed as to giving more options to the players, the merge characters one would be neat I think.

I can understand the notion that account wide bonuses could be seen as excessive and as you rightly mentioned, I did state a second option to merge the 1.0 character into the 2.0 character. I can't change my title, but I'll add it to the top so it's easily found.

I made a new character because I thought my 1.0 character was lost, due to not being listed in my characters on Mogstation (she is since I access the data centre where she resides, but wasn't there until I did that). I didn't come back for 2.0 because I didn't care about XIV again until a friend talked us into coming back in 2.3. That's my problem and I don't expect free transfers or anything, I just wish SE had told me they survived as everything I read led me to believe that the 1.0 characters that survived had done all the story, the truth eluded me until last week, sadly.

In retrospect, I would've focused on the merge character suggestion, but I can't change the title. Ah well.
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Originally Posted by worldofneil

I'm sorry you didn't look for your old characters, but the tattoo is to symbolise that the character was originally created in 1.0. SE did send out multiple emails to tell 1.0 players that they'd get a free copy of 2.0, where to download the launcher and about how much free time we'd get before we had to start paying. I'm sorry that your email either wasn't working or you had an old address on your account, but changing the tattoo from 1.0 characters to anything made on that account just seems to defeat the point of it to me.

I didn't realise I had to look for them. I figured if they survived, they'd be listed. Given the events of 1.x eventually killed a lot of characters (Yes I know they're only NPCs now, but I didn't think lore wise, anyone would care about a level 15 conjurer who did a few sidequests!), I figured only those who finished the story survived.

My email works fine and I've had the same email address registered to my Playonline and later my Square Enix account since I started FFXI in 2005. I never received one, I spent a fair amount of time searching through them last night before making this post. I can find the wedding email from my FFXI marriage in 2005, but not one about transferring 1.0 characters to 2.0. If I'd found this, I would own that and accept I can't do anything, but I received nothing from SE.

Originally Posted by worldofneil

Items given to the 1.0 account (except for the Hermes Sandals for some reason) are already account wide. If you bought the collectors edition of 1.0 (and registered the code) then you'll already have the Onion Helm on all characters on that service account and all future characters.

I did and do have the Onion Helm registered and available on all characters on my account.

When I found my 1.0 characters last week, a pop up appeared stating I can change their name and appearance for free. Why was such a popup not implemented into 2.0 to inform us that we had 1.0 characters available? Clearly the capability to do so is present.

Originally Posted by worldofneil

If it helps, the earliest email I could find about it was 12th June 2013 with a subject of "Return to FINAL FANTASY XIV and Experience A Realm Reborn!" and later aan email regarding the server migrations and where the 1.0 characters would be moved to on 21st June 2013 and resent again on 22nd July 2013 with the subjects of "Regional Data Centers and World Transfers / FFXIV: ARR Newsletter".

Thanks for the advice, I can find emails from then from SE but nothing about that for some reason.

Originally Posted by worldofneil

As for why no popup... I don't know how to say this without sounding rude and for that I apologise, but the rest of us just automatically logged in with our existing characters. We didn't assume they were deleted, so we didn't need a popup (although I think they are actually are now as I remember reading something about anyone with a 1.0 character who wanted to keep it had to re-login before 3.0 for them to be kept or something like that?).

Again I apologise for sounding rude, but changing things for everyone because of a misunderstanding/some confusion just seems a bit extreme to me.

I'm afraid I can't explain why I didn't check the other data centres. I'm absent minded and would normally blame that, but my partner isn't and he's in the same situation. For whatever reason we both thought that our characters were dead and at the time (2.3), we assumed everyone with a tattoo did almost everything a 1.0 character could do and the ones who barely played were killed off. Obviously we were wrong.

That said, I don't personally think allowing a minority of players that have 1.0 characters AND aren't playing them because they didn't realise they existed to merge their 1.0 character into their 2.0 character is extreme, simply because I suspect only a handful of people are affected and for that reason I doubt SE will do anything anyway.

I appreciate the fact you're being civil while explaining your points as well, thank you.
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Originally Posted by Daisy

As far as the tattoo goes, I don't know what the fuss is about. Sure it's nice to have it, but assuming you don't run around in a swimsuit all the time, it's very rare to see it on your char. Goob was a quest reward in 1.0, not exactly a legacy reward.

Well it all depends on how one likes to dress their character. Personally, I like to keep clothing off of my Femroe's shoulders and that often means crop tops which show the upper back. Quite a few crafting tops also show off that area, it doesn't have to be a swimsuit. At the moment though, I'm sporting a long hairstyle so I don't have to see my character's upper back. :P
Also, I didn't know about the Laurel Goobbue not being a legacy reward, thanks for letting me know.

Considering newly created characters did not experience the events of the calamity, it wouldn't make much sense for them to be branded. You as a player may have gone through it, but the characters themselves are different.

Reading through the topic here, it sounds like you weren't expecting certain things and now want changes implemented to dismiss that. A little research goes a long way!