Thread: BRD/MCH in 4.0

Originally Posted by MPNZ

And, the only terrible one was the nerf that was given to shadowbind because of PvP, IMO. But, the demands for nerfs didn't stop, because of our infinite up-time, high aggro, and popularity of it being a move-and-shoot class that people would claim that our DPS was too high, and nothing seemed to satisfy them until wanderer's minuet and the number of bards decreased. It reminds me of the party I was in when I first got to Hatalali. What was it they said? "Archers are the retard class" and "always the Archer". Gee, like, I wonder if people just, um, hate archers for some reason... My first random party experience too. Going through Deepcroft was way more fun.

Been playing since Day 1 and I have never heard people say that. If anything it was DRG's who were getting a bad rep. Before 3.0, BRD was the most popular because it was the easiest and took the least amount of effort to be good at in comparison to other DPS jobs. SE put them at a level in 3.0 that gave them more of a balance with a learning curve with other DPS. I would still argue that BRD is the easiest, but it has more equal footing with other jobs now.

Remove WM/GB, give BRD/MCH Sniper Training from MM Hunter in WoW.

Also give them back full weapon damage because why not at this point.

Originally Posted by Jonnycbad

You guys realize the reason GB/WM was added was to balance ranged DPS.

We weren't broken, we were unique. Something to appeal those who wanted ranged and mobility. The cost? Support based and lower dps compared to melee and real casters. Back then we were told melee got the dps lb and the higher dps output because they risked more than a ranged job in their proximity to the boss, so if u wanted to do high dps you chose a job that would do that, provided you played it correctly. There was nothing wrong with being a mobile ranged. We didn't need that kind of balancing, some of us just don't like being melee or casters due to the cast bars (speaking generally here don't go biting my head off). I read enough threads so I'm just remembering also from them what some said their reasons were for playing brd back then. Casting isn't for everyone, nor to everyone's liking. Why should melee be the only ones still allowed to move w/o a caster bar 24/7? BRD had the mobility of melee with the benefit of ranged but the price was lesser dps and support abilities which those who played BRD as far as I know, had no complaints over because why? Maybe because they got to play the one job they liked out of all of them and the playstyles demanded of each job's design.

Mch: Please left hand of the dev team talk to the right hand. Smn's pets were unaffected by the player character's buffs, so it carves out the job's total DPS, not being able to accept the dmg increases from raging strikes, blood for blood, hawk's eye, internal release etc. Then they fixed SMN. Why did we start at square one like noobs with the MCH turret design? Fix this so that MCH turret is fully effected by the player's own buffs.

There needs to be some sort of exponential increase for MCH's in the same way Crit helps BRD's making bloodletter proc.

Perhaps something like residual energy discharge- every time you go through a GCD shot, your bot builds a small charge. It gets bigger and bigger steadily, and can be discharged with a new ability. You can discharge it after every GCD and get a very, very tiny effect, or use it every 10 gcd's and get a much stronger effect. That discharge can take form based on which bot is out and weather or not it's promoted.

Rook residual energy discharge: high single-target damage. always a critical hit. 20-200 potency
---promoted discharge: instant TP recharge to players in range(20tp-150tp) and physical damage reduction (1%-5%, 5-10s duration)

Bishop residual energy discharge: large radius aoe burst + stun/bind(larger than blizzard aoe range. dmg equal to a single aoe burst extra and up to double the normal damage.)
---promoted discharge: instant MP recharge(1-10%) to players in range, and magic damage reduction(1%-5%,5-10s))

Brd: Empyreal arrow without a cast time(seriously its not a gcd, wtf?- gauss round and ricochet shot don't have cast times for MCH, which are the most equivalent abilities)

Maybe they can get some songs that mimic an AST's cards effects like increased defense, damage, skill/spell speed, ability recharge, mp or tp insta-recharge. Perhaps a singular song that is instant and gives every player in range one of said affects. 30s duration, cd same as battle voice. If the target gets the mp or tp insta affect, it should be in the 150tp~ or 7~10% mp range.

Originally Posted by Id_Slayer

Mch: Please left hand of the dev team talk to the right hand. Smn's pets were unaffected by the player character's buffs, so it carves out the job's total DPS, not being able to accept the dmg increases from raging strikes, blood for blood, hawk's eye, internal release etc. Then they fixed SMN. Why did we start at square one like noobs with the MCH turret design? Fix this so that MCH turret is fully effected by the player's own buffs.

Just to clarify. Are you under the impression that summoner pet's are also affected by personal buffs such as Raging Strikes after they "fixed" summoner?
Correct me if i misunderstood your statement, but pet's are only affected by food buffs and potions, this counts for every pet in the game, being it scholar fairy, summoner egi's or mch turrets.

Personal buffs such as Raging Strikes, Blood for Blood and Hawk's eye were never meant to be shared between the owner/pet.