Unofficial Census 2016 for FFXIV

[Vantol]

it's a video game noone needs gear neither you nor me, but we all want it.

Also "It's just a video game" is such a poor excuse. I also pay taxes monthly and buy food to keep on living, as everyone else. And as everyone else (or most of us) I want mansion on my own island or whatever. But it would take me my whole life to get enough money for it. So I choose to lower my standarts and do other things. It's same for top gear - if you want it so badly - put your life into getting it. If you are not ready for such sacrifice, then stop saying that every person must have that island, it's not for everyone, just as top gear.

[Musashidon]

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not all games are the same if you want a game that gives you the best items for the hardest content there are those out there, SE can change it eventually but atm no.

bringing up the real world has no help as, if everyone was rich no one would work and then well...we all know how that goes, but look atm raiding is only gets you 5ilvls on your weapon and everything is fine.

[Thayos]

Thayos understood the point I was attempting to make. Since Mythic having better rewards than Savage doesn't result in a higher clear rate, it seems like a lack of rewards from Savage probably isn't the explanation for its low participation rate.

Ha, the other guy was speaking about your post with such a tone of authority, I assumed it was he who wrote it.

Glad to know my assessment of your post was correct.

And yes, I agree. Increasing the rewards for raiding might cause more raiders to raid, but the only two things it will do for the other 95 percent of the playerbase is Jack and *@%#, and *@%# left town.

[Vantol]

but look atm raiding is only gets you 5ilvls on your weapon and everything is fine.

The reason for those threads to pop every once in a while is exactly that nothing is fine. We are on the train into oblivion, but for some reason people seem to enjoy the ride.

[Musashidon]

The reason for those threads to pop every once in a while is exactly that nothing is fine..

actually i wasn't talking about raids itself i was talking about the game, with raiding so *dead* as you say it is and how raiding is everything we still have a good amount of people playing.

[Thayos]

Not true, while raiders are a smaller part of the population, the raiding community is a lot like the backbone of a game. We write the guides, we fill up the party finder for primals, we help the community thrive.

And if we had a more diverse endgame scene, then that community of extremely helpful players would be expanded even further as more players find ways to be fully engaged/invested in the game.

What you speak of isn't confined to just raiders. Or, at least, it shouldn't be, because this game should have more diverse endgame content.

[Thayos]

it's costing the game subs it can lose as, once casuals start actually jumping ship we will see real numbers drop.

We'd have a more honest discussion if we stopped throwing around the word "casuals."

The real danger is losing the scores of players who want to be more engaged in FFXIV but don't enjoy hardcore raiding. These players run the gamut from casual to hardcore. SE needs to do a much better job of retaining these players, and the way to do that is by diversifying endgame. Don't make raiding the be-all, end-all route for upper-echelon progression.

It really has nothing to do with whether people are casual, midcore or hardcore. The data shows that not many people are "progression" raiders, and we can see in other games that better rewards only drive participation to a point.

The goal shouldn't be driving participation in raids; the goal should be driving participation in endgame.

We need more diverse endgame to make that happen.

[Vantol]

What's the point of putting effort into content only a fraction of the playerbase will ever see? That's like making a product for a tiny market at the same or bigger cost you could make a product for a big market - with the same payout per product, the sub fee.

Honor maybe? That ancient thing of past noone seems to care about nowdays.

how raiding is everything we still have a good amount of people playing.

5'000'000 account registered, 225'000 people playing (500'000 logging once in month). Is it good emount? I don't think so.

[Musashidon]

5'000'000 account registered, 225'000 people playing (500'000 logging once in month). Is it good emount? I don't think so.

yes but if you then shun the casual players (its the general term i am using) you will see those numbers much much lower as they would have even less reason to play.

raiders aren't going to keep those numbers.

They have already dropped. Throughout the patch cycles. Also no matter what kind of player you are hardcore or casual you are still a sub in the end and if Raiders leave they are still losing potential money they could keep. They have already said they plan on making changes to how Savage is when Yoshi-p got asked about it from the Level -5 CEO saying how Savage has no incentive and they should fix it on a Live Letter so clearly they care about Raiders and not just Casuals.

yes they dropped but the number of players is still pretty high (not compared to WoW but wow is in a completely different league of every other game out there)

i never said yoshi p hates raiders or doesn't care about them i simply said they are currently not focusing on them and giving more to the casuals.

If casual jump ship because all raid gear is 5 ilvls higher, then maybe they should leave the game? That seems something pretty petty to plant your flag in when you consider how hard raiders work for their gear.

people play for different reasons telling people to quit because they can't get gear you don't want them to get is pretty petty itself, not all games have to be about end game giving you the best (but i said that already haven't i? :P)

[zosia]

yes but if you then shun the casual players (its the general term i am using) you will see those numbers much much lower as they would have even less reason to play.

raiders aren't going to keep those numbers.



yes they dropped but the number of players is still pretty high (not compared to WoW but wow is in a completely different league of every other game out there)

i never said yoshi p hates raiders or doesn't care about them i simply said they are currently not focusing on them and giving more to the casuals.

This game is primary servicing casuals, do you really see a small bump in ilvl in raiding gear a "shunning the casuals"? Is 5 ilvls such a big difference to you that it would hurt the ego of so many casuals? It's literally five ilvls, the power difference is on the order of 0.5-3% depending on the slot and itemization.