As a healer, is it my job to DPS? A new perspective.

[Judge_Xero]

I wanted to expand on that a bit more, because I have personal experience there that the group might find interesting.

I didn't get to the see the very start of your fight video but it looks like your WHM had a lot of DPS windows that weren't used. I can understand them wanting to play things safe if that was your first clear though.

- SCH used Fairy Regen between two optical sights so Medica II wasn't required - But as far as positioning the SCH kept missing the tanks with the Fairy Regen both at the start and during Lapis.
- SCH could have put up Succor during the last Limit Cut dash to have it up for Whirlwind as well as used Indom between Ruin II and applied Virus to open DPS time for the WHM.
- WHM could have put Assylum over the entire party and tank during the Limit Cut part paired with the regen would have allowed them to DPS the whole time.

- Timing the application of instant cast skills for when you know you will have to move is really helpful on healers. i.e. Bio/Aero for SCH moving to spread position etc.

- SCH could have helped a lot more with Indom and Succor during the Tower Phase to buy the WHM more DPS uptime there so the WHM did ok on that part.

Nice fight to watch though.

[bounddreamer]

Part of what you're seeing in that fight is a lack of synergy between our two healers. Our main healer doesn't trust that he'll get help when he needs it in a pinch, so he neglects those dps windows because our SCH stayed dps stance so much. And I know he'd agree with you on those indoms and succors during tower phases because I remember him asking for that! The problem was once Akiva proved he could heal through it, Astraea let him. Also, our off healer is in TS with us but never uses a mic, only text chat. So that's a strong consideration in shifting him to an actual dps slot while someone with a mic takes point on heals.

Good critiques. We definitely tightened things up after the first clear and that one was a bit sloppy bc of various reasons.

[Feyona]

Thanks, so let us leave that aside by now.

Really difficult to explain parataxic distortion here. Basically, its a defence mechanism, based on a distorted evaluation. Is this case its distorted because it was perceived like that, where it wasnt about you at all. Here I would say, from reading posts that people have already put me into a certain frame of reference (from earler significant others) and expect my responses to be derrogatory towards them, which I actually never intended but have been put in that 'box' Therefore anything I say is perceived as being aimed at them as intentional attack or something even when it isnt, but gets distorted in by the expectation from one in that category. So if you perceive me as saying burden that its aimed at you that is parataxic distortion. But being as I noted your not english and I wrote it badly it was innappropriate. Hope that answers your question

[Feyona]

It's pretty much a running theme in this thread unfortunately, you aren't the first to be on the receiving end of this behaviour by any stretch.

So what is your gripe? People keep quoting me when I say things, some of which are derrogatory like Im lying. So I respond to it , then I get accused of arguing with them, but they are actually arguing with me. Is it because Im direct with my replies like above where Im not meticulous, and pedantic means meticulous btw. Im am pretty direct I dont flower things up so is it my directness you dont like ? What you call hyperdefensive is merely stating the truth or correcting. And if my failings are pointed out I will point out yours too touche. Receiving end of my responses to your barbs? Dont you know by now if you derrogate someone they will respond in kind?

[Sebazy]

You just can't help yourself can you?

I've been pretty clear and open about my grievance with your posts, there's no need for me to sully this thread any further with that, you are welcome to go back and read it if you must.

This page alone shows that there is plenty of interesting dialogue and discussion to be had, so how about you shut up and let the thread actually progress forward?

[Sebazy]

I didn't get to the see the very start of your fight video but it looks like your WHM had a lot of DPS windows that weren't used. I can understand them wanting to play things safe if that was your first clear though.

Remind me when I get a decent internet connection again to upload an A11s so you can critique why I always feel so overstretched going into final phase double whirlwinds, I'm pretty certain I'm napping and not getting back into the middle soon enough or such and it's always felt a bit too tight at that point =(

<3 solid second opinions.

[Feyona]

And as I stated, because english is a wonderful language and you should read it some time,

lambdafish I may be defending a poor standard of play but I also believe in choice. I would be pretty hypocritcal if I kicked someone for not dpsing when I hate it myself and want to be a healer. In fact its all I like in the game and all I want to do but, still dps if the party wants me to. Now as for this issue of should everyone else carry him? That is personal choice, and it makes some people angry so I wish SE would make it clear either that they have to put effort in as well or they can choose to just heal. My stance is just to let people have fun if I carry someone I dont care. like I dont mind carrying frends at all. I like people to feel happy thats all. However you think Im not perfect I know but dont hate enough to be really nasty. Im short sarcastic. Even dont debate well how I 'should' I dont really do much of 'should' . I question it.

[Wanzer]

So what is your gripe? People keep quoting me when I say things, some of which are derrogatory like Im lying. So I respond to it , then I get accused of arguing with them, but they are actually arguing with me. Is it because Im direct with my replies like above where Im not meticulous, and pedantic means meticulous btw. Im am pretty direct I dont flower things up so is it my directness you dont like ? What you call hyperdefensive is merely stating the truth or correcting. And if my failings are pointed out I will point out yours too touche. Receiving end of my responses to your barbs? Dont you know by now if you derrogate someone they will respond in kind?

^Hmm. Parataxic distortion, you say?

Im am pretty direct I dont flower things up [...] Dont you know by now if you derrogate someone they will respond in kind?

If you can learn something from what you just wrote here, it would fix the whole thread. And all the little conflicts that you made.
Because you are the only person here to have started multiple conflicts based on nothing, or on a word that you can't accept (and often out of context, or misinterpretation). I'm not saying this to attack you again, but... Again... To help... ...

People keep quoting me when I say things, some of which are derrogatory like Im lying.

Take a huge breath. Reread the messages where you think someone said you were a liar, and come back later with a fresh mind. At some point, you should be able to read some words without taking them as an offense. You just need to calm down, and really read what people say.

There is something else that I would like to share with you :

And no need to come back with the following nonsense :

Are you looking in the mirror at the moment wanzer because , not able to accept facts and easily offended that applies to you, only I would add unable to accept the way others say things.

As I said before, I'm not taking part in this thread, but I learned a lot from it. Especially when I'm free to release Cleric Stance in Alex S.
And I'm totally open to get new ideas, and even discuss about them. But... Some people here are better than me to put words on my thoughts. Saying this just in case of "no, YOU should read it". '-'

^It's not a Gif, I promise.

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Aaw. I know that feeling... :<

[Sebazy]

That chart above is pure gold

Later, we went back in for bird farming and alt weapons and I went main heals while he went off heals on AST. He had some trouble relaxing and letting me main heal while he went mostly dps mode but we were able to trade dps windows back and forth.

This detail in particular interests me the most as I'm in a very similar setting all told and whilst it works nicely for us, it's clear it's not particularly optimal. Even on the run that got my co healer world second on A12S (pre echo), our combined DPS was barely top 50 material. On the flipside, when I'm on SCH and DPSing, my damage numbers aren't close to his, but I subconsciously bubble big hits and such even if it's not 'needed'. It makes me wonder if an aggressive 'main healer' coupled with a cautious but DPS capable SCH would actually be more effective overall.

Let me know how your combined numbers add up, it'd definitely be interesting to see <3

[Stormbad]

lambdafish I may be defending a poor standard of play but I also believe in choice.

So does everyone else, well all believe in choices. Why is "choice" exclusive to you? Is it because if someone were to "choose" to kick someone for whatever reason that they are automatically in the wrong? If you are a champion of choice, you would accept all the opinions that oppose your opinions equally.

I would be pretty hypocritcal if I kicked someone for not dpsing when I hate it myself and want to be a healer. In fact its all I like in the game and all I want to do but, still dps if the party wants me to.

So don't kick healers who don't dps, nobody is telling you to do it.

Now as for this issue of should everyone else carry him? That is personal choice, and it makes some people angry so I wish SE would make it clear either that they have to put effort in as well or they can choose to just heal.

Good for you. You seem like a patient person in game who is very willing to burn your own gametime to help someone who doesn't give a crap about your time. The anger comes from people like me, who can only game a few hours a week, who makes a PF with specific goals and having people who do not align with the goals at all. They are insulting the group and me for not aligning with the goals set in the PF and they are especially insulting for not being considerate of my tiny amount of gametime.

My stance is just to let people have fun if I carry someone I dont care. like I dont mind carrying frends at all.

Great, I love to see my friends happy too and I'll carry them through content but because I know them, enjoy playing with them and they share my values. And it's hypocritical to say let everyone have fun when you don't accept that there are people who have fun through performance and optimization. You think they don't deserve fun because they think that way?

I like people to feel happy thats all. However you think Im not perfect I know but dont hate enough to be really nasty. Im short sarcastic. Even dont debate well how I 'should' I dont really do much of 'should' . I question it.

I like people feeling happy as well, I'm sure everyone else here feels the same way. That is also not exclusive to you. Some of us choose to make the group happy by kicking underperforming people or people who do not follow the group's established rules. Why is that wrong? Is that 1 person's happiness any more important than the other 7?

Please note that all of my questions are rhetorical so please don't cut out my entire post to answer a question out of context.