As a healer, is it my job to DPS? A new perspective.

[Feyona]

Its a high-pressure environment, there are people in the real world who can't handle, and subsequently don't get, high-pressure jobs. Theres no twisting, that is a matter of fact that a lot of people don't qualify for the groups, and they are not entitled to be in those groups, whether that makes them uncomfortable or not is actually irrelevant, as insensitive as that sounds.

Sorry but thats so elitist on a game that people should be allowed to enjoy. Words like not qualified, and shouldnt be there more or less is what your saying so only good ones allowed to play a game? And everyone else gtfo? So wrong lambadafish. And whats more you dont see whats wrong with healers doing their job well not being considered qualified

[Feyona]

I hope it would help.

It does help thanks

[bounddreamer]

Not sure if it induces that much stress though certainly nothing like the harrassment or coerceon to dps when people are needing to be healed. My opinion.

Not quite sure what you're saying here. In my experience there are a lot of things that can induce stress on every single member of the party. There are various pressure points in almost every fight that have to do with tanks, healers, dps, and just the whole team doing mechanics. I've been asked to improve my personal dps as off tank. Our scholar does so much dps sometimes it puts huge pressure on our main healer, who ends up essentially solo healing by the time we have fights on farm.

Having a healer be asked to increase dps seems to have been your pressure point specifically, but it doesn't mean that it's been an issue for everyone seeking to do savage content. Also, I'd say that most if not all healers that I know, who do endgame content, know that they're going in with the expectation that they'll add dps where they can .

[Stormbad]

Sorry but thats so elitist on a game that people should be allowed to enjoy. Words like not qualified, and shouldnt be there more or less is what your saying so only good ones allowed to play a game? And everyone else gtfo? So wrong lambadafish. And whats more you dont see whats wrong with healers doing their job well not being considered qualified

I completely agree that it's a game and people should be allowed to enjoy the game. But why is 1 person's enjoyment more important than the other 7 in that group? If a person wants to play the way they want and be "allowed" to play the game the way they want, they have the ability to form their own PF groups with their own conditions of fun. You have the power to do that. That way you can guarantee that the people who join the group will enjoy the game the same as you do.

It seems like a lot of your points focus on being "forced" or being "harassed" for doing something you don't want to do so why play with those people who have those expectations?!?

[HyperiusUltima]

I do practically solo some savage content anyway. But I know how the world works. Im talking about one aspect of the game. If dps cant clear content its a different matter dps is absolutely necessary to clear, healer dps is not absolutely necessary. Therefore I question unecessary pressure

In Savage the only pressure you feel is the difficulty of the content and your group's teamwork. I'm pretty certain you don't know how the entire XIV Community works, and why exactly do we drag DPS Jobs into this discussion? This is supposed to be about healers. As much as healer DPS isn't necessary, there have been times where healer DPS has helped progression in a way in the case groups were just shy of DPS Checks.

This is not unnecessary pressure, but rather people wanting their healers to DPS. Again, it's your choice at the end of the day.

[bounddreamer]

Sorry but thats so elitist on a game that people should be allowed to enjoy. Words like not qualified, and shouldnt be there more or less is what your saying so only good ones allowed to play a game? And everyone else gtfo?

Now that's twisting what Lambdafish said.

It's not elitist to point out that there is a higher bar for entry for a level of content that is designed to be more difficult. I play with casual groups as well as my own static. There are some people who will never enter savage. There are some who do it later when it's much easier. And there's some who want to do it when it's current, before echo, before max gear.

People clearing Alex 12S last October were functioning at a higher standard of play than groups that are only clearing just this week with 15% echo. This isn't cruel or elite, it's simply fact.

If I want to participate in optional, higher level difficulty content, I have to be able to do so. So it's important to recognize whether I want to, whether I can, and if I try, whether I'm able to accept feedback to improve my performance in order to succeed.

It is a game. And it is fun. But it's not the same as people only doing story mode, or only 24 man raids once a week, or only Alex Normal.

[Feyona]

In Savage the only pressure you feel is the difficulty of the content and your group's teamwork. I'm pretty certain you don't know how the entire XIV Community works, and why exactly do we drag DPS Jobs into this discussion? This is supposed to be about healers. As much as healer DPS isn't necessary, there have been times where healer DPS has helped progression in a way in the case groups were just shy of DPS Checks.

I wasnt the one who dragged dps ino the discussion. I was replying to one. Dont or ever have disputed healer dps is optimal. Actually do it for the group. Its where is expected for the sake of it, no matter how hard it may be in the situation. Then you say I have a choice .. Not really if most groups expect it especially scholar. Do I need to know everything about how the communty works to know how the healer dps meta is and how it impacts healers? Your perception of what is difficult may be different from mine

[Feyona]

Now that's twisting what Lambdafish said.


It is a game. And it is fun. But it's not the same as people only doing story mode, or only 24 man raids once a week, or only Alex Normal.

Ok but just feel you miss the point. Healer dps isnt necessary for me to be qualfied as a healer. I do that content without it. They way I took lambdafishes comment was that your not qualified to go in there if your not optimal in every way
I am allowed to go in there and clear it no matter how its done it still is. You dont need to be super skilled for savage. Otherwise I wouldnt be able to heal it. Group expectations dont really need to be that high really. Thats the way I see it. I dont think Ill bother with the special stuff for those that want it really hard. This isnt that hard except the learning of it which, I found hard but I still did it so sort of proves non dps healers can

[bounddreamer]

Ok but just feel you miss the point. Healer dps isnt necessary for me to be qualfied as a healer. I do that content without it. They way I took lambdafishes comment was that your not qualified to go in there if your not optimal in every way
I am allowed to go in there and clear it no matter how its done it still is. You dont need to be super skilled for savage. Otherwise I wouldnt be able to heal it. Group expectations dont really need to be that high really. Thats the way I see it. I dont think Ill bother with the special stuff for those that want it really hard. This isnt that hard except the learning of it which, I found hard but I still did it so sort of proves non dps healers can

I feel like you're missing my point, too.

This is optional, endgame, higher level difficulty content. Optional. Higher level difficulty. To access it you have to willingly seek out and do all of the Alexander Normal content, and clear it, then you have to choose to unlock savage. Savage. By its very definition it is harder than anything else that has come before.

He never said you have to be optimal "in every way" and no one else did, either.

But the fact is, with a higher level of difficulty there will be some players who can do it, and some who can't. Period. Forget "optimal."

No one, no matter what job they're playing is entitled to anything. You have to earn it in one way or another, whether it's pure skill, the indulgence of your teammates or friends, or cold hard cash.

And if you think "just anyone" can do it regardless of skill level I respectfully disagree.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Sorry but thats so elitist on a game that people should be allowed to enjoy. Words like not qualified, and shouldnt be there more or less is what your saying so only good ones allowed to play a game? And everyone else gtfo? So wrong lambadafish. And whats more you dont see whats wrong with healers doing their job well not being considered qualified

How is it elitist? Say I decide to put together a mid to hardcore static, thus necessitate certain requirements on players trialing to be apart of the group. If you fail to meet those expectations, it's not elitist for you to be dismissed. You were made fully aware of what was expected of you and couldn't handle it for whatever reason. If those kinds of groups are too stressful, you simply don't join them.

Ok but just feel you miss the point. Healer dps isnt necessary for me to be qualfied as a healer. I do that content without it. They way I took lambdafishes comment was that your not qualified to go in there if your not optimal in every way
I am allowed to go in there and clear it no matter how its done it still is. You dont need to be super skilled for savage. Otherwise I wouldnt be able to heal it. Group expectations dont really need to be that high really. Thats the way I see it. I dont think Ill bother with the special stuff for those that want it really hard. This isnt that hard except the learning of it which, I found hard but I still did it so sort of proves non dps healers can

You are missing the point. Each static is unique; with their own individual requirements. Casual groups often won't care if you DPS whereas midcore and above will. While you are absolutely allowed into any content you fancy, you cannot dictate the group's standard unless you are the raid leader. If you join a group and are asked to DPS, you can certainly voice a preference not to, but the group is under no obligation to keep you if they want their healers DPSing. You're essentially asking the entire community to accommodate any and all preferences. That will never happen. Therefore, your options are to either accept that and perform to the expected level, join more casual focused groups or quit Savage. Nothing you say here will force the community to change it's perspective.