Picking a healer

[RopeDrink]

Not getting into another debate on this topic again. I'm just stating the pointless complaining over something that truly isn't much of a big deal.

Nothing pointless about it. People expecting Healers to not stand around picking their nose doing nothing when there is nothing to heal is not a bad thing. At all.

As for the topic, I've given them all a spin and I like the more 'traditional' feeling of the WHM so far. Having a pet is nice and all but I found that bar to be a bit restrictive (can't swap things around into a particular order) which bugs me. Sure, I can map keys how I like, but I also enjoy having abilities in certain orders. Astro seemed fun but a bit too random for my liking. WHM is a nice, raw, standard option with phat numbers - and none too shabby in the damage department either.

[Nekotee]

As for the topic, I've given them all a spin and I like the more 'traditional' feeling of the WHM so far. Having a pet is nice and all but I found that bar to be a bit restrictive (can't swap things around into a particular order) which bugs me. Sure, I can map keys how I like, but I also enjoy having abilities in certain orders. Astro seemed fun but a bit too random for my liking. WHM is a nice, raw, standard option with phat numbers - and none too shabby in the damage department either.

I'm a little... Confused
1) did you know you could make the pet bar disappear and put all you pet skill inside your own bar ?

2) I challenge you to explain how rng and random the AST is in term of healing, honestly i'm already amused by your answer

3) your whm description is an ast description also... Pretty fun !

[_slowpoke_]

WHM and AST are usually relegated to being almost purely focused in healing

This is not correct. Yes, you usually take the brunt of the healing as a WHM/AST, but that doesn't mean you're excused from doing damage, especially not in Savage content. There's usually enough time to at least put up DoTs regularly, which is already half of your DPS potential. There is no healing job in this game on which you "just heal".

[Fernosaur]

This is not correct. Yes, you usually take the brunt of the healing as a WHM/AST, but that doesn't mean you're excused from doing damage, especially not in Savage content. There's usually enough time to at least put up DoTs regularly, which is already half of your DPS potential. There is no healing job in this game on which you "just heal".

Keyword almost. You seem to just be trying to start arguments everywhere lmao.

[_slowpoke_]

Keyword almost.

I know what almost means, thank you, you're still wrong. "Almost purely focused on healing" (what you have said) implies that DPS is an afterthought and can be neglected. That's false, because it's an integral part of every healer's toolkit.

You seem to just be trying to start arguments everywhere lmao.

I'm correcting wrong information where I see it, that is all. If you think that's "trying to start arguments everywhere", lmao.

[Fevelle]

I'm correcting wrong information where I see it, that is all. If you think that's "trying to start arguments everywhere", lmao.

Nah, you're just protecting a meta that will probably be unsustainable once we hit higher ilvs, since no amount of Accuracy materia will be sufficient, unless you pentameld crafted gear.

[KarstenS]

especially not in Savage content.

The time of Gordias is over

We could easily down A5-7S without any healer damage, if we wanted to do so. A8 we will see, as soon we reach the final goal. Why? Because our "damage dealers" are dealing enough damage. So every party that really "needs" healer damage in one of these turns, their damage dealers are simple said: not good.

The big reason the development did decide to put that amount of damage skills into the healer toolkit is: saving money and development time.

People like me, who have played a holy skilled priest back in vanilla WoW will remember, how solo questing was with that class. Short answer: it was a true pain.

If the healer toolkit in FFXIV would be similar to the one of a holy priest in vanilla WoW, they wold have to design every solo quest battle more than one time, because it would be not doable. Designing the battles more than one time would be way more expensive and time intensive than the solution they decided to do: give them enough damage skills.

Same for tanks, but more a "I need alot of time to kill a single mob" thing.

The solo quest issue was for me the main reason that I liked my warlock that much.

[CookieMonsta]

The time of Gordias is over
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I agree with your sentiment that healer DPS should only be a bonus but:

May I ask what were you guys doing with the downtime? No seriously, there is sooo much time in between healing, what were you casting?

Holy cow, the healer classes (even astro) have waaay more HPS than necessary to deal with the damage from most instances of A5s-A7s (even A8S to a degree) what the heck do you do when you have met the healing check? do you keep healing to inflate dem overheal numbers? do you sit still and look pretty?
Even the very best groups with the most top tier DPS will utilize healer DPS to 100% of its potential, its a resource to tap in to whether you need it or not.

I'm not saying the days of 100% healer DPS uptime gordias days were good but even Midas gives room for respectable DPS.

[revonine]

I love the way this derailed into a healer must dps topic. There's already a thread for that.

[Yawnie]

I love the way this derailed into a healer must dps topic. There's already a thread for that.

Exactly this.

If you guys want to discuss how a healer has to dps please take it to the other thread.