The Feast

[NovaLevossida]

I really don't want to play the Feast. I don't enjoy it, nor am I particularly good at it. However, I like this game's PvP a bit. The Frontline queues never pop though. So I queue into the Feast...

Although I'm not the best player, I'm putting together a PvP gearset and actually trying in the Feast. However, I'm not sure I'm going to stay motivated to keep on trying with the party chat being what it is (mainly the tank and healer having a fight almost every match). That or I'll disable party chat and sacrifice teamwork just so I don't have to put up with infighting.

[KfLeX]

I'm just rolling with the punches now, seems like this season I can't get back to silver. But I'm enjoying feast because it's fun to me. I get yelled at here and there for slip ups but I'm staying strong and trying to get better.

[Koltik]

One big problem I've seen is players who are new, but think they know everything and absolutely refuse to listen to experienced pvpers advice.

You have the 10 stack tank who thinks the healer is horrible if they can't heal them through it. Because they've "stayed alive before" - probably against terrible DPS.

You have the DPS who refuse to work together and follow marks, despite how much you ask them to.

You have the Bards and Machinists who don't use PvP mana song for their healer - actually had a bard say "...suck my dick" when I asked for it on my Astro.

You have the DPS who continue to LoS their healer, or not purify full swing, or blow all CD's before players even engage, and refuse to do it any other way.

This is bad for PvP - anyone on Primal will know I get hot headed when people make mistakes, but all my rage is usually guided towards pointing out what went wrong and how to fix it. I make mistakes myself, we all do, and PvP is about constant improvement of those mistakes. The problem comes when the other players just don't care to fix it and play like the basketball player who never passes the ball. It's a team game, not solo.

Point of this is that the best thing new players can bring to PvP is the willingness to learn and adapt to changes. Listen to people who have experience. Unfortunately lately it's been a 50/50 split between those who are and those who aren't. It's hard for us who are feast-heavy to even want to try to help new players when half of them don't give a shit anyway.

[Japtor]

I've been doing PvE only and recently decided to focus my attention more into the PvP aspect of the game, to say I've done it, enjoyed it etc. (also not much new content right now).
As someone who is not completely trash in PvP (playing frontlines usually), I am still learning with each match I play. I am ranked Bronze with 29 matches played in the Feast with a 44% win rate. I started in the middle of the 2nd season to have something I can look forward to in this game, have dabbled in fl roulette a bit when Seal Rock was a thing. So I'm in the average/okay bracket I guess.

The biggest problem I am facing right now is the unbelievably unfair matchmaking in the Feast. I am put into teams with players that have been PvPing since s1 and earlier or players straight out of PvE with accuracy all over their lore gear. Basically how I started since I didn't know any better. (continued)

[Japtor]

Of course I keep meeting players that express their upset feelings (and it can get pretty colourful sometimes), sometimes they are trying to give me helpful advice when I ask what I could improve on, I end up in the higher spots of damage dealt (MNK), but it just needs one guy to kill your mood and motivation for the gamemode.

You play with someone in a small team of 4 people, every player is important for the outcome. And then you have one or two in your team who don't know what the hell they are doing or are not aware of how to handle specific matchups (if you are a newcomer to the feast, how are you supposed to know all of this from the start, it's impossible).
You obviously get frustrated because you see the mistakes they do, they don't, seems so obvious.
Because you are not new. The community is almost entirely only out of veteran PvPers that have been doing this for quite some time. Which is not a bad thing, most of them are trying to improve and revitalize the community.

[Japtor]

But the way matchmaking works right now... it will effectively scare away people who develop an interest in PvP because SE thinks it's a good idea to scramble all sorts of differently skilled players, mash them into a match for the sake of fast queues (which aren't fast at all even), mess up everyones ratings that don't deserve to be matched with lesser/higher skilled players and get carried to victories or drag their team mates down to losses.

I personally got my share of all this nonsense, I enjoy PvP a lot, just not the Feast anymore. It creates a negative atmosphere and promotes toxicity. I've had more fun at Shatter to be honest. I will come back to it as soon as SE realizes that bad players need to play with bad players, good players need to play with good players. Because I can't improve if I get stomped on by Golds constantly or let someone else carry me.

Sorry for the wall of text, thought maybe a PoV of someone kinda new would be helpful to the discussion.

[Tsumes]

Feast 1000% needs a beginner unranked queue. I can whole heartedly say. The "experienced" people who queue 4v4 are toxic as hell. My FIRST time in, I was told to never queue again. After that it was pretty much the same negativity. I am by no means an expert healer. But I'm better then average at the very least. Every single person who've tried to "give advice" always do so in a rude and demeaning manor. So me being the a-hole that I am. I refuse to take advice from those types of people. Be nice, it's not hard. Besides, this is a game. If you aren't having fun, you're doing it wrong.

[Nakanishi]

Feast 1000% needs a beginner unranked queue. I can whole heartedly say. The "experienced" people who queue 4v4 are toxic as hell. My FIRST time in, I was told to never queue again. After that it was pretty much the same negativity. I am by no means an expert healer. But I'm better then average at the very least. Every single person who've tried to "give advice" always do so in a rude and demeaning manor. So me being the a-hole that I am. I refuse to take advice from those types of people. Be nice, it's not hard. Besides, this is a game. If you aren't having fun, you're doing it wrong.

I suppose not casting and/or putting a sect on places someone above the "average healer".

The problem with a lot of these new healers is that they don't see that they are at fault. They never win, then place the blame on their team. You would think after so many consecutive losses they would realize they have no room to s*** talk and understand they're the problem. tfw the new players are more toxic than the "experienced" players.

This is SE fault for placing pups with wolves. A problem that hinders both pups and wolves alike, the wolves more though.

[Divinemights]

This is SE fault for placing pups with wolves. A problem that hinders both pups and wolves alike, the wolves more though.

Yeah, it is SE's fault. Why SE didn't create an English PvP community that is big enough to sustain real competitive Feast mode: Fixed Party Feast. Now all the hungry wolves have to played in solo que mode with pups.

No, I don't really agree with you. FF14 PvP community will not grow with such toxic attitudes toward new players. Solo que maybe ranked, but it is a mode specifically decided for the players who can not find a fixed party for real competative mode. I do not agree that this solo que mode is specifically design for top players. It is really not.

Most of players that complains about new healers are usually those at bottom of barrel. They are struggling and unleash their anger and frustration on new players. If you really want a competitive environment, organize weekly event for fixed party Feast where you are 100% guaranteed with teammates that are pros It is because you found them yourselves.

[Nakanishi]

No, I don't really agree with you. FF14 PvP community will not grow with such toxic attitudes toward new players. Solo que maybe ranked, but it is a mode specifically decided for the players who can not find a fixed party for real competative mode. I do not agree that this solo que mode is specifically design for top players. It is really not.

Most of players that complains about new healers are usually those at bottom of barrel.

The toxicity doesn't derive exclusively from the "top players", new players are equally at fault. Those type of newcomers are the most aggravating players. No one has ever said ranked solo queue is only for "top players". I don't understand why people jump to this conclusion when regarding players that don't know the basics of their own job.

Not all new players are bad, but more often then not we get players who aren't even i150 or know their simple pve rotation. Also, most of the people complaining are the ones that constantly get stuck with multiple of them, Gold players. Solo feast queue would be competitive if the horrid matchmaking actually made "balanced" teams.

You clearly don't know how dead feast fixed party queues are with or without an event.