The Feast

[Noutaja]

Please keep a positive attitude when doing the feast. This way we will keep it alive. It wont stay alive just cause of the mainstream attitude. The attitude is F new ppl especially new healers. We all know this who do the feast actively.

Many people enjoy the feast as a ranked pvp thing, but it breathes toxicity all around. Dont remove the ranking system but please give new people a chance to practice before joining the ranked system.

Also some pvpers just want a non-toxic environment to play their favourite game in. Like me.

Please make an unranked 4v4 Feast alongside the rated one, that would be a good try to solve the problems we experience.

[Nakanishi]

Clearly SE is okay with the toxicity.

SE had this ingenious idea to add a rating system with horrible point gain/loss issues to a small pvp community. Originally it wasn't even possible for Gold+ to get unranked players, now the matchmaking just stacks multiple unranks with Gold+ for "balanced" teams (although http://i.imgur.com/CaXmCeq.png begs to differ). They also claimed point loss would be lessened, this only seems to apply for silver/bronze.

Losing 20 or more rating because SE thought it was intelligent to balance teams by throwing unranked healers on your team while the unranked themselves goes unscathed from the rating loss. The devs are just begging for toxicity among their players, and they only made it worse since season one.

Now that is off my chest, SE desperately needs an unranked 4v4 mode and force players to WIN a certain amount of matches before being allowed into rank.

[Enlial]

This matchmaking system is absolute crap, sorry. After hitting silver it feels like every damn match is a coin flip. Vast majority of matches are won by a landslide, based on who gets the most "novice" player in the most critical role. Even when I win, matches like that arent fun. And when I lose, its infuriating. An unranked player who lost zero rank, just there to practice or "try out" pvp , knocked me out of the top 100? hell yeah Im pissed. I try, really really hard, not to be a jerk. Because I learned a long time ago that spewing vitriol at fellow pvp'ers is counterproductive, but you better believe I'm pissed.

On top of that, this system is exploitable as hell. And its being exploited. "Feast Season Two: now we triple triad". Ok its not quite that bad. And hell, probably ALOT easier to be in the top 100 now than it was in S1. Still infuriating though how "the community" flips it's collective %#$ over a couple of guys from new Zealand (iirc) playing each other over and over in light party (pretty sure thats how most people hit plat in s1 LP anyhow... farm the same team over and over again), but hey, when established community members exploit the system to climb the solo queue rating board they get a free pass. "its not the players fault" for taking advantage of a bad system or whatever. Its crap and I really hope SE comes down on people. But not holding my breath.

/end rant *deep breath*

[Aviars]

Clearly SE is okay with the toxicity.

SE had this ingenious idea to add a rating system with horrible point gain/loss issues to a small pvp community. Originally it wasn't even possible for Gold+ to get unranked players, now the matchmaking just stacks multiple unranks with Gold+ for "balanced" teams (although http://i.imgur.com/CaXmCeq.png begs to differ). They also claimed point loss would be lessened, this only seems to apply for silver/bronze.

Losing 20 or more rating because SE thought it was intelligent to balance teams by throwing unranked healers on your team while the unranked themselves goes unscathed from the rating loss. The devs are just begging for toxicity among there players, and the only made it worse since season one.

Now that is off my chest, SE desperately needs an unranked 4v4 mode and force players to WIN a certain amount of matches before being allowed into rank.

TBH some people just deserve negative rating and they end up losing none by virtue of the system. You get people being placed where they shouldn't be. It is a huge tossup on whether or not the player deserves to at least be bronze or the person is just climbing up to bronze because that's the way things work. I have ran into people who have played since day 1 of the season, and they are STILL unranked. Something needs to change.

[Nalien]

I think "Add 4v4 unranked!" is a simple solution to a complex problem, and likely wouldn't achieve much... I'd expect unranked to have horrendous queues, and as a result people will just continue to default to ranked... No real change achieved...

I think SE has royally f*cked up PvP in this game... Having Frontlines and Wolves Den was a big mistake IMO... They've split their focus and the result is two half-baked options... Either take Wolves Dens competitive rewards and put them in Frontlines, or take Frontlines variety and put it in Wolves Den... Either works for me, I think a competitive Frontlines could work better than Feast and even justify the Grand Company restriction... Though I prefer playing Wolves Den, so adding some actual variety there would make it more entertaining for me and make it more appealing to a larger casual playerbase... Even with 3/4 of the maps being stone cold dead, Frontlines offers far more variety than Wolves Den... Two sides of the map are different enough in Frontlines, the objectives are semi-random, as are spawns, and so on... Wolves Den has "Am I on the blue or red side?", with both being identical save for that lone distinction...

Personally I'd opt to give Wolves Den some variety... You can get 3~9 matches in Wolves Den out of the same number of players that can fuel 1 match in Frontlines... A non-competitive Wolves Den could thrive much more than Frontlines can ever hope to, you get in quicker and you get out quicker... Even if they drop the Grand Company restriction, that's still true... You'll always be able to play more matches of Wolves Den than Frontlines, thus it's a better option IMO, it is simply going to be more active... SE can't even get variety right with Frontlines though, given Borderland Ruins and Seal Rock are deader than dead, so I'll just keep dreaming... They've kinda messed up competitive rewards as well, for that matter... They really just don't know what they're doing...

[Noutaja]

We are having an uprise of "elitist" pvp groups who want to force their rules upon others, just cause its a place where you can do that. This is not a good thing. The air is toxic and new players are not tolerated. Maybe the 4v4 unranked will be "too rarely used" but its still a fresh breath of air to many of us.

Also as mentioned the coin-flip win/lose ratio adds to the toxicity. Maybe the rating system cannot be improved with the current (SE) resources or its just impossible, but giving people the freedom of choice seems right to me.

[Rufalus]

We have unrated 8v8 but the queue times became infinite so I stopped queuing. I think two main problems with all pvp modes on NA/EU data centers is too little participation and the toxicity which doesn't help with the participation problem. I know people who are too scared to try because they will be yelled at, and the same issue makes me a bit hesitant to get back into Feast even though I did a fair amount in season one. If we don't have fun, we won't go. So maybe pvp will become almost a JP only thing. Even the latest Frontlines (shatter) mode on my data center only comes up with 24-player matches now; haven't personally been part of a 72 in weeks.

[Nalien]

Honestly, they should just cancel season 2 until such a time that they can sort sh*t out... They've timetabled Feast horribly, given we get no pre-seasons, and the complete lack of new rewards is just stupid... There is no real reason for season 2 to exist right now...

Cancel season 2. Work on making a non-competitive version popular. Create some new additional rewards to regenerate hype in the next season. Have a pre-season to test alternative matchmaking/rating systems... I'm doubtful a proper matchmaking system, that pairs you with people of a similar rating, could actually work, because that kind of system is what pretty much killed the original Wolves Den due to insane queues, but Feast might be popular enough to work with such a system... We don't know that though, because they can't test that kind of system mid-season and they've stupidly opted to make seasons effectively endless...

A non-competitive mode should be the norm, with competitive queues being longer... Not going to get things that way if non-competitive is added mid-season though... Probably not going to get things that way anyway, because Frontlines is a thing...

You know there is a 8v8 mode, correct?

Yeah... It's even called the practice option in the PvP Profile, which just goes to show how much of a clue SE has about this... If I want to practice for A, I'll practice by playing A... They've gone and given us B for practice instead though...

[Animosite]

Maybe the 4v4 unranked will be "too rarely used" but its still a fresh breath of air to many of us.

You know there is a 8v8 mode, correct? I fully understand it is inactive, but if you want this, "fresh breath of air" and/or "non-elitist" environment. Why not try to encourage the inexperienced players and people like yourself to reactivate it. People have brought back several other dead content before, I don't understand how this isn't an option for yourself. And yes, 8v8 is not exactly 4v4 but wouldn't that be a good starting point and your, "fresh air."

[SuperZay]

Losing should not reward any PvE currency to prevent abuse. There was an unranked healer yesterday who mostly afked at start (without even trying to heal anyone). Won all matches against him and lost all with him in a party. Why he got away with this? Seeing as reports generally do not work, what stops him from repeating eso farming every day? Why, exactly, we should tolerate such 'PvP'? I don't have much time to play, and all this match throwing kinda killed all desire to que again that evening. The mood was off.