Question to Dark knights from a WHM

[Ebonwings]

As a DRK, I prefer WHM do Holy after my BP is down because I like to get edgy during the BP time ! XD after it goes down WHM can go spam Holy as much as they want. Hence I love doing big pulls when I'm on DRK than when I'm on PLD don't ask me why, but I guess DRK is like the removal of my restrain for me >.>

[Ebonwings]

Ps I don't mind holy during BP either since I'm too busy watching aoe and aggro anyway I barely notice holy going off as long as my MP is 3/4 full by the end of the fight I'm good as someone posted here MP management is part of DRK playstyle if we get too edgy we end up no MP. It's kinda DRK restraint XD which makes the class more fun to play.
Sorry for double post I'm on phone at the moment.

[Lyth]

I agree that it's easy enough to manage your MP as a Dark Knight, especially with Soul Survivor, but I normally pull enough that it would be a very stupid idea to take off Grit. In smaller situations, Healer + Cleric Stance will always be better than a 20% boost to my damage, so the less I'm taking, the longer the healer can remain in cleric stance. Granted, I'm not saying that you spam the Power Slash combo and there's a lot of benefit from maximizing your damage within Grit.

In the present tier of dungeons, if you pull from gate to gate, there are probably at most one to two pulls in each which require Grit on top of your standard rolling cooldown use. Even in these cases, if you drop Grit when you're down to fewer mobs, BW will be up for you to build MP back at the end of the pull.

[The_Last_Dragoon]

In the present tier of dungeons, if you pull from gate to gate, there are probably at most one to two pulls in each which require Grit on top of your standard rolling cooldown use. Even in these cases, if you drop Grit when you're down to fewer mobs, BW will be up for you to build MP back at the end of the pull.

I thought you were dropping Grit for the damage boost, I personally have never needed so desperately to get MP that I needed BW while I was tanking. Though I also try to practice not generating too much needless aggro on a mob while I'm not utilizing Blood Price for infinite MP (specifically in DF Roulette). Essentially, I will estimate the amount of hate I need for the pull so that dps doesn't pull at the beginning and then I start to regain my MP once I have garnered suitable threat during the second half of the encounter.

[Lyth]

Any amount of additional time out of Grit is a dps boost. Any additional MP is also a dps boost. Not using all the MP tools available will cause your performance to drop. Staying in Grit just because there's more than one mob present, rather than as a judgement call based on the rate of incoming damage, will also limit your performance. Not all mobs are equal - there's usually one or two mobs in a given pull that do the majority of the damage, after which the defensive requirements drop significantly. Aggro in AoE isn't a reason for Grit, as AD is one of the most powerful enmity generating moves in your disposal. The present tier of dungeons is so gated that there are probably only a couple pulls that actually necessitate Grit, even if you pull gate to gate.

I suppose this isn't really that important if you're just looking for a tank queue. But time out of Grit and amount of BW uptime are strongly related with how well you play DRK. Life out of Grit is so much easier, and it's not nearly as dangerous as you claim. It also resolves a lot of MP issues.

[Drkdays]

There's no problem at all using holy as long as you're not sacrificing healing for DPS. Blood price helps with DPS, but holy is stronger.

[Ilan]

So, this question has plagued me since returning back to FFXIV. I main whm and have gotten used to doing my aoe rotation on trash pulls but because I have seen a surge in my encounter with said job. I have questions.

Do you hate it when a WHM does their holy rotation on trash mobs especially when you have blood price up?

Do you also cringe when you see a WHM in your dungeon roulette because I've reach that place where i say f**k, there goes my holy. I also feel bad about popping holy then see you have blood price, cause I know you need mp for the next pull.

I ask this only because I encounter them more then I used to, so I worry if some are annoyed with holy as I am to blood price.

In the end I just want to know what the general opinion is about this. I know I've seen a thread about this very topic some months ago before leaving but I wanted to see if thoughts have changed.

tyvm to everyone and sorry if I rambled too much. This is my first time writing here.

The holy spam is annoying if you are almost out of mana, yes. The healers i always run with handle it like this: They wait until my mana is full or they use holy in that way that the mobs can hit me between the holy casts.
This goes just for pulls where the mobs die more or less quick, if the mobs don't die that fast you can spam holy all that you want, but you can always ask the tank what he prefers since you are a team for that dungeon.

[Alistaire]

As a DRK, I prefer WHM do Holy after my BP is down because I like to get edgy during the BP time ! XD after it goes down WHM can go spam Holy as much as they want. Hence I love doing big pulls when I'm on DRK than when I'm on PLD don't ask me why, but I guess DRK is like the removal of my restrain for me >.>

It's much more efficient on both you and the WHM to use blood price after holy stuns are gone. Why would you blood price at the start of a pull anyway? Terribly inefficient. Also in trash pulls carve and spit is a much better dps increase by using it to be able to aoe more/harder so blood price isn't even the only tool for mp recovery, and it shouldn't even be the first used. No reason blood price used correctly should be impeded by holy spam.

[Freyyy]

It doesn't matter to me if I have Blood Price up or not, if you holybomb I will love the shit out of you

I can't stand those healers who stand there doing nothing when no-one takes damage and no heal is needed instead of going cleric stance and killing stuff

[DeusX]

I think it'll be weird in asking if I can holy to every DRK I see but I can see that not all DRK's will welcome a whm holy.
This is the rotation I usually do.

(regen skills) CS-swiftcast-holy-Aero 3-holy-assize-holy-shroud. If dps is slow I spam holy.This is for more small pulls and when I have all my skills

(regen skills) CS-swiftcast-Aero 3-holy-presence of mind-shroud-holy spam- benediction.

Of course, I treat every run differently but this is basically what I find myself doing most of my roulette's. Unfortunately I haven't found a thread on what other whm do as their aoe rotation but this is what I think works for me.