How is this Balanced? (Bard)

[Nakanishi]

Nerf them. Both BRD and MCH.

Nerf ninja while we are at it. It has Fetter Ward, so unlike BRD/MCH, CC won't stop them. :^)

[Aviars]

Wouldn't surprise me if the majority of the people crying for BRD nerfs have never actually played the job for themselves.

I know it's necessary for brd to have this one shot macro, but I just think it is bad design. I personally would like to see brd more well rounded rather than have the capability to have a one shot combo that is extremely stupid when it happens. Good brds will normally always get it off, it is just the bad ones that make people think it is stoppable.

[Dimitrii]

Good brds will normally always get it off, it is just the bad ones that make people think it is stoppable.

Cause theres so many good brds in the top 100 atm lol. The only decent one is Jermz and he hardly plays anymore. Go look at the win percentages of the career BRDs on our data center and then tell me how overpowered they are. I agree that all jobs should be well rounded like MNK but this is what was dealt to jobs like BRD/DRG/MCH. All they can do is burst. Making it seem like its a guarenteed KO every time you burst will just lead ppl to believe you've never actually tried the job yourself. The job has red flags telling you a burst is coming that alone nulls this fallacy of an argument.

[Februs]

Wouldn't surprise me if the majority of the people crying for BRD nerfs have never actually played the job for themselves.

Speaking of this, for my own reference, exactly what buffs/moves am I looking for when shutting down a Brd burst? I've had several people request that I stun the burst, but I don't have a Brd myself, so I'm throwing darts in the dark when I go after a bard. The only one I really know about is Raging Strikes. The actual burst rotation is a mystery to me.

Quite frankly, looking for that tiny floating text in the heat of the fight is not a realistic request at the best of times, but I'd at least like to have a rough idea of what I'm looking out for, so that I'm not completely wasting a CC timer when I don't have to.

[Dimitrii]

Speaking of this, for my own reference, exactly what buffs/moves am I looking for when shutting down a Brd burst? The actual burst rotation is a mystery to me.

To begin with whoever the BRD is gonna burst needs to have both Wind bite and Venom Bite applied on him otherwise the Sidewinder in the burst is completely wasted. If you wanna know a burst is coming by viewing just his buffs look for Hawk's Eye not Raging Strikes. Raging Strikes has a 2 min recast so some BRDs will only have it up every other burst unless they specifically wait the extra 30 seconds for it to come up. No BRD however will EVER attempt to burst without Hawk's Eye and Barrage up. Both are 90 sec cooldown. B4B is also a gigantic red flag that a burst is coming since that buff needs to be taken off immediately after the burst else the BRD will get wrecked because of the 25% dmg taken (therefore you will only ever see it used in a burst). Barrage up also ALWAYS means Empyreal Arrow is coming. Since the BRD is on WM stance when they burst it means Emperyeal Arrow will have to be cast giving you a small window to LoS or stun. The rest of the burst will be insta abilities however.

[Februs]

No BRD however will EVER attempt to burst without Hawk's Eye and Barrage up. Both are 90 sec cooldown. B4B is also a gigantic red flag that a burst is coming

Awesome.

So, basically, if I see Hawk's Eye and Barrage, then it's time to start paying close attention to the Brd. Then, I pounce on them as soon as I see Emperyeal Arrow. Sounds good. I'm sure it will be a little tricky to pay attention to in-fight, but at least I know what to look for now. Thanks for the help.

[Aviars]

Cause theres so many good brds in the top 100 atm lol. The only decent one is Jermz and he hardly plays anymore. Go look at the win percentages of the career BRDs on our data center and then tell me how overpowered they are. I agree that all jobs should be well rounded like MNK but this is what was dealt to jobs like BRD/DRG/MCH. All they can do is burst. Making it seem like its a guarenteed KO every time you burst will just lead ppl to believe you've never actually tried the job yourself. The job has red flags telling you a burst is coming that alone nulls this fallacy of an argument.

I personally don't believe all these career bards are a good representation of what the bard class can do. And again I don't say bards are overpowered, just the way they are implemented is very stupid and even though you can spot the red flags, it doesn't mean you can just automatically stop it. A good bard would wait for a situation in a game where they can get it off without getting messed up by stun etc. That is what I mean by good bards. Same applies to whether or not a melee can land a LB, everyone knew that melee LB was overpowered, but you could always you know, move behind a melee to cancel the LB or stun/knockback/etc. Doesn't change that it was stupid how defining melee LB was for melees and I can't appreciate how SE designed bards to be centered around burst that can potentially just outright kill someone within a second.

[xxczx]

GIF says it all. It's ridiculous giving this much potential to one class.

http://imgur.com/a/p0sm7

1: going diurnal astro in a burst heavy game, either go noc or go white mage, you should know this by now

2: you were out of position in the center where you arnt stunned, had attune up and you already know that bards have an obvious buff cycle for burst, yet you arnt focus targeting him

3: you attempted to swiftcast and lightspeed mid burst, even though they have sizable animation locks and they were also on cooldown, thats almost a rookie mistake mate

maybe you'll man up and talk to me on skype one day, love from c'eve

[Koltik]

2: you were out of position in the center where you arnt stunned, had attune up and you already know that bards have an obvious buff cycle for burst, yet you arnt focus targeting him

Wow. Dense. You realize the bard is hard targeted? Not noticing that is a rookie mistake, if anything.

[xxczx]

You have my sincere apologies mate, i must have been so taken aback by the fact that, even though as you rightly proved that you had the bard targeted, not only did you go out of position in to the middle of the arena with no way to los a cookie cutter bard burst and just los dance like astrologians normally do, but your reaction to it was to attempt to animation lock yourself after the burst was well on its way instead of preempting it

but yeah, i guess it is a rookie mistake to think that someone such as yourself would openly admit to playing like that while also being able to see the bard buffs and casts

still waiting for you to take that knife out of my back from a few months back mate, its a good thing you dont own a transport company or you'd probably find another bus to throw me under

love c'eve