[REQUEST] Making MB selling fairer (in some way)

[Chalbee]

This is a huge thing. I can't stand when I look up an item, and all I can find are stacks of 99, and I need like 3. I don't want to buy 99 at 1k each (or more), but I'd happily buy 4 or 5 instead. I always list mine in stacks of 5-25.

THIS! I've actually monopolized (or very nearly) a few products by selling in reasonable stacks. I almost never have to change my prices because people are looking at net cost most of the time, not price-per-item. I think it's polite to keep things at a level where potential buyers can assume what their mats are going to cost. If someone tries to undercut me, I take all my stuff down, let the supply dry up and check back in a couple of days. It pays to make things easy on the buyer.

[Meirii]

become a gatherer have someone make it for you, adamantite is a pain to farm. Don't compalin if you don't know the hard work put into it

[CrystalRainbow]

Be glad I don't have more then my 2 retainers. As I can often fill up both full 20 and 20 on makert boards after a day of playing. And I undercut. Because I need the space.

SE will only fix undercutting for me if I get more retainers and Market spaces then I can fill.

[Renius]

I don't understand this thread. What do you all do with all that Gil? I have never crafted one single item. I never gathered one single item. I come across good deals from time to time because people do undercut and I just snatch'em up and resell then at "fair" market price. I have about 50 mil and don't know what to do with it, (yeah, no I am not giving it to you). I would like one change tho and that is the ability to split the stacks so let's say someone does have the stack of 99 and you only need 5, you should be able to buy the 5 you need, if you feel the price is right, and leave the rest for someone else that needs more. That way everyone wins, seller gets his stack of 99 sold eventually and you can get the items you need. That to me is a fair thing to ask for as a change, all the other market manipulating is just too much for a game. I wish it was real money I could use 50 mil, for sure.

[coco1851]

I agree there is a real problem with the MB! Op's suggestion might be a possible solution as well. To me it is simply rip off central unless your end game or you have lvl 50-60 crafters. Here's why: paint for example if you make it yourself it says your characters name on it however if you buy it from the npc it does not. I have actually looked through the lists the majority buy from npc to turn a pretty big profit. Which essentially is unfair to the person that actually does something for their Gil & the buyer. There are 3 minions that can be bought at an npc in NG that I see on the market board sometimes as much as 10x's what they bought it for. My solution to circumstances such as this is SE should make it so if your selling those particular items that are in a regular npc that anyone can go to if they know where (excluding stuff that you can only buy from doing like ixal dailys, kobold, sylph, etc because you only have access to those if you meet certain requirements) make it so the mb won't allow you to sell them for more than what you purchased them for in other words a maximum price.

My other issues are that people take it to extreme by undercutting so far that it literally diminishes the market & they in fact loose Gil & make it hard for others to sell. For example some people sell things on the mb for less than what you can sell it to the npc for. For circumstances like this make it so there is a minimum price you can sell it for. I'll probably have more thoughts later that's just at the top of my head atm.

Lastly this has been puzzling my fiancé & I for so long: the Gil that is the fee for both buyer & seller where does that Gil go?

[Niwashi]

it will go back anywhere. could end up top of the list or bottom of the list as is RNG.

It's not random. Items are sorted first by per-item price. When multiple listings have the same price, they're sorted by stack size. When multiple listings have both the same price and the same stack size I believe it's the region it's being sold from (and therefore whether there's tax added) that's the third criterion. If all of those are equal, then it goes by when the item was listed.

Those first three criteria are about making it easier for the buyer to find the listing they want. The final one is about fairness to multiple sellers offering the same thing. Seems a pretty good arrangement overall.

[KarstenS]

I believe it's the region it's being sold from (and therefore whether there's tax added) that's the third criterion.

Nope.

Its the time, when the retainer got sent back to the market.

The rule is: the last one is the first one.

You can test it. Put something into the mb at the same price like others and wait till you are not on place one anymore. Call your retainer and send him back et voila: you are back on place one.

[Kosmos992k]

paint for example if you make it yourself it says your characters name on it however if you buy it from the npc it does not. I have actually looked through the lists the majority buy from npc to turn a pretty big profit. Which essentially is unfair to the person that actually does something for their Gil & the buyer. There are 3 minions that can be bought at an npc in NG that I see on the market board sometimes as much as 10x's what they bought it for. My solution to circumstances such as this...

No solution is required. Everyone knows that you can buy, for example, salmon pink at a vendor. However, some players may not wish to actually take the time to go to the vendor, and so they buy the dye (marked up considerably) from the MB for the convenience. To you, this looks like simple profiteering, but to others it is a matter of convenience. Welcome to theworldof supply and demand.

[Teryaani]

Personally, I think the worst are those that list items at (or, strangely, below) NPC buy-back prices.

I do my best to profit off of people that do this.

[Teryaani]

The answer to this is limit that advantage to 4 retainers (2 free + 2 paid can do MB) and even if someone max's out their retainers to 6 paid, thhey still only have up to 4 retainers with MB access. Alternately have a market board proxy 'offfice' in each city that allows you, the player to sell items directly with slightly higher tax rate (or proxy commission + regular tax) and allow all players a maximum of 80 MB entries at any time, either through retainers or the market board proxy.

Or square could reduce the advantage by offering two additional free retainers. Given that I use my extra retainers to hold glamours and not for playing the market board, I'd be a-okay not paying as much every month.