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    StouterTaru's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nekotee View Post
    You Don't lose dps by adding à DoT
    It will if that DoT extends the time for your rotation.

    Optimal AoE (15 seconds ~170 Potency/sec with 3 mobs) - Transpose > Fire 3 > Fire 2 > Fire 2 > Flare > Repeat
    Add in Thunder (18 seconds ~157 Potency/sec with 3 mobs) - Transpose > Thunder > Fire 3 > Fire 2 > Fire 2 > Flare > Repeat

    It won't cast quick enough to not extend your rotation by 3 seconds. It won't take up enough time for you to get a 3rd tick of MP under UI (another Fire II).
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    Last edited by StouterTaru; 08-05-2016 at 04:44 AM.

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    Imai Blackren
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    Quote Originally Posted by StouterTaru View Post
    It will if that DoT extends the time for your rotation.

    Optimal AoE (15 seconds) - Transpose > Fire 3 > Fire 2 > Fire 2 > Repeat
    Add in Thunder (18 seconds) - Transpose > Thunder > Fire 3 > Fire 2 > Fire 2 > Repeat

    It won't cast quick enough to not extend your rotation by 3 seconds. It won't take up enough time for you to get a 3rd tick of MP under UI (another Fire II). Someone else can figure out the potency change, but I can tell you it is a substantial drop.
    You forgot Flare...
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    Quote Originally Posted by FunkyBunch View Post
    You forgot Flare...
    Fixed it, and added in potency numbers, it's about an 8% drop in dps with only 3 mobs, larger with more mobs. That's before throwing in the thunderclouds, which won't make up the difference.
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    Lilyth Chan
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    Arrow is not a DPS loss in any cirscunstance for a BLM, AoE or ST. Aimply put, Arrow means more fire IIs and more flares.

    If you are annoyed that you wont get a second mana tick if you start casting fire III immediatly after flare, then just wait half a second before casting it. The timing is not that hard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lilyth View Post
    Arrow is not a DPS loss in any cirscunstance for a BLM, AoE or ST. Aimply put, Arrow means more fire IIs and more flares.

    If you are annoyed that you wont get a second mana tick if you start casting fire III immediatly after flare, then just wait half a second before casting it. The timing is not that hard.
    I never said arrow was a dps loss, I said casting thunder because of arrow was a dps loss. It is not a dps gain because AoE rotation revolves around the 3 second server-side mp tick. It does not give you more Fire 2s or Flares, it's dps neutral. In an AoE situation, that arrow is much more useful on the tank keeping hate off me, or a MNK/DRG that knows how to AoE.

    So you suggest that the AST annoys me for no gain instead of putting the card to actual use.
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    Areku Foxfire
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    Quote Originally Posted by StouterTaru View Post
    Fixed it, and added in potency numbers, it's about an 8% drop in dps with only 3 mobs, larger with more mobs. That's before throwing in the thunderclouds, which won't make up the difference.
    The more spell speed the better as a black mage, arrow makes you cast faster with a lower GCD. There is nothing negative about it, telling someone to not arrow a black mage is silly.
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