Make FFXIV more like FFXI and less like WoW!

[Kosmos992k]

LOL But it already is attempting to clone wow in certain ways and that is old as the hills.

We fight in dungeons and against Dragons, but does anyone blast the game for cloning D&D?

There are only so many generic ways to do something, even if you put a crapton of custom frills on things, the heart of the matter is that there are only so many ways to roll a die.

Cloning implies something different to using systems that are conceptually similar - when there are only a few good ways to do something, you'll always end up being similar to something that has gone before you. But this topic is explicitly asking for the game to be made more like another, so it seems to be talking about more than using similar concepts.

[Iromi]

stuff.

Eh? I literally listed exact copies they took from WoW. I never mentioned anything about dragons...

You said you don't want them to clone an old game, and I listed and pointed out how they did. I guess you just don't understand.

[Kosmos992k]

Eh? I literally listed exact copies they took from WoW.

Exact copies? So you think the idea of a caster that cycles between one mode and another is exclusive to WoW?

Weekly Lockouts are an innovation that began with WoW?

Currencies are currencies, there is no 'format' they are simply tokens you collect to purchase other things. Many games have multiple currencies with a single monetary currency and other tokens, this is hardly cloning WoW.

And I absolutely refuse to take WoW having multiple difficulty levels in dungeons as evidence that FFXIV copied WoW. Multiple difficulties is something that has existed almost since the dawn of gaming.

There is a thing in patent law that says that a patent cannot/should not be granted if something could be reasonably developed by an ordinary practitioner in the field. Concepts such as multiple difficulty levels, token systems & currency, lockouts to extend content life and even the cycling from one mode to another in BLM are all things that can be reasonably expected to be developed by competent practioners in the field of MMORPG design and implementation.

Or in other words, you're giving examples of things that could easily be developed independently without any direct reference to another source. To say that such things were copied or cloned from another source needs more evidence than the kinds of similarity you describe, and also some justification as to why you think those things could not reasonably have been developed independently buy a company with a history in RPGs and MMORPGs.

I never mentioned anything about dragons...

I know. I was using that as an example of how easy it is to pull things from FFXIV and claim they were copied from other games. I mean it could be said that Elezen are totally rip off of Elves in Lord of the Rings; they aren't but there are similarities. A lot of Fantasy games borrow from literature, and a lot of MMORPGs with fantasy settings (and solo RPGs) borrow very heavily from the pencil& paper die based games such as D&D. So perhaps we should discuss those similarities?

The point being that games that operate within a genre will always have major themes in common, and MORPGs and RPGs in general will always have a ggreat many similar mecvhanics and concepts. But none of that means that one game is a clone of another.

You said you don't want them to clone an old game, and I listed and pointed out how they did. I guess you just don't understand.

I understand, I just feel that I have a broader perspective than you in that I'm not looking to pin an accusation of copying or cloning on FFXIV, while you seem to be wishing to do so.

[loreleidiangelo]

LOL But it already is attempting to clone wow in certain ways: the quests, smn is a clone of the warlock job (its a mix of the Demonology and Affliction Warlock), the combat is similar only 14 flat out lights up the boxes to tell you the next thing to use, or how bout the fact that this games own producer said to look to wow for inspiration and had the dev team play wow..hmm WHAT ELSE?? the black mage is a copy of WoW's Balance Druid from Cataclysm, the lock outs are the same format, the currencies are set up exactly like WoW's format, the fact they have Hard Mode dungeons while they change unlike WoW's Heroic/Mythic Dungeons they serve the same purpose and that game old as the hills.

Blade and Soul is a game with a DoT-heavy pet class, daily lockouts on dungeons and currencies that you can obtain from running content that can be traded in for gear.

Does that mean Blade and Soul is a copy of Wow, too? (spoilers: they're nothing alike)

[Blackcanary]

LOL But it already is attempting to clone wow in certain ways: the quests, smn is a clone of the warlock job (its a mix of the Demonology and Affliction Warlock), the combat is similar only 14 flat out lights up the boxes to tell you the next thing to use, or how bout the fact that this games own producer said to look to wow for inspiration and had the dev team play wow..hmm WHAT ELSE?? the black mage is a copy of WoW's Balance Druid from Cataclysm, the lock outs are the same format, the currencies are set up exactly like WoW's format, the fact they have Hard Mode dungeons while they change unlike WoW's Heroic/Mythic Dungeons they serve the same purpose and that game old as the hills.

Yeap FFXIV is a complete wannabe clone of WOW. I wish Yoshi P had tried to be more original. SMN being a complete wannabe poor mans version of Warlock from WOW
is why i stopped playing it.

[Windi]

Yeap FFXIV is a complete wannabe clone of WOW. I wish Yoshi P had tried to be more original. SMN being a complete wannabe poor mans version of Warlock from WOW
is why i stopped playing it.

WoW is a worse game tho.

[Shurrikhan]

WoW is a worse game tho.

...Is it, technically? It's certainly more dated graphically, but it has a much larger arsenal of features and mechanics. Combat is simpler across most specs, but it also has fewer dead or midstep-only abilities. Beyond that is subjective.

And if neither seems imaginative in some specific regard (SMN / Warlock), is it really worth arguing which is less so?

...all criticism is subjective.

If that were true, criticism would be pointless. Criticism, like trying to theorize over a phenomena between a team of researchers, which aims to be ultimately objective, is simply susceptible to logical error or leaps, miscommunication, and wrongly assumed criteria. Our criteria may differ at a certain level, but even they stem first from either logic or supposition based on the combination of more basic criteria and our experiences. It's "loosely correlative" more than it is "subjective", and as experience increases (number of concepts explored and impressions made; or, others' impressions heard, and the connections between them made) that differentiation based on initial experiences shrinks. Where a given criteria is borrowed, or supposed, our limited but still diverse ranges of experience can carry a consequent (but not necessarily patterned) range of understanding (whether we knew what the guy was talking about completely, merely connected with some parts, or not at all but assumed it was correct) that can undermine argumentation, and so forth, but that is even less "subjective", so to speak. Just as you said the game was worse because it strikes you as boring, there are certain elements that caused that impression that are likely to have a similar effect on a range of other players based on that combination of elements against their range and criteria for perceiving the content of the game and its quality. If there was no basis by which others might share that notion, would there be any value at all in stating it? And yet, it's in decently wide agreement, and carries certain implications as a result.

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[Musashidon]

PSHHH make ff14 more like diablo!

give us our cow level yoshi p!!