Do YOU think we'll get a new Tank and/or Healer in 4.0? And vice versa.

[Dakit]

I would like to see a sword DPS -> Samurai
A mixed melee/ranged DPS -> ?
A mixed melee/white/black mage DPS -> Red Mage

A Magitek healer -> ?

Since Jobs are cycled by weapons

Whip
Mace
two handed mace
single handed axe
Flail/Morningstar (ball chain style)
Hammers
etc.

A lot of options, just need to find a role (tank/heal/dps)

[shao32]

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sadly whe already have that, is name archanist, and they say "nope, no more"

[TaranTatsuuchi]

And either a healer with nothing but instant heals or a dancer that has to stand still all the time.

They can do both just fine...

They have instant skills until level 52 when they get a stance that gives them all a cast time!

[ADVSS]

That reminds me, Have I mentioned gear as one of the reason people wnated a RDM tank?

I can dig the return of nin/monk gear merging, could you elaborate on the rdm tank gear? I just assume theyd give it fending gear personally.

[Morningstar1337]

I can dig the return of nin/monk gear merging, could you elaborate on the rdm tank gear? I just assume theyd give it fending gear personally.

I think it is not because of RDM, but because of SAM. As I think I mentioned before, I think the Devs want to have Jobs share or "compete" for the split DPS sets (see: MCH). While RDM mix and swordplay and magic would either result in it being lumped in Casting gear or having its own Gear Class with either STR and INT or one of the main stats with the opposite speed stats (INT/Skill or STR/Spell). Having it as a Tank (which given DRK as a precedence, would mean its attacks would scale off VIT instead of STR or INT, though the other possibly would also be eh, possible), means that SAM would be free as a DPS and its own type of armor would fit the closest with the Maining set, currently exclusive to DRG, and aesthetically similar to Tank armor in most cases and with more flexible armor is other cases.

The reason I brought this up is because I presume most people would want to keep the inventory/Armory clutter down and yet another brand new gearset for another melee class (even when the class is partially Melee) would go against that desire, while also making it harder to gear because of Loot tables and RNG.

[Coratanni]

Wearing chain and light plate - aka light armor - is not enough to make a caster a tank. Also, making a quick comparison to FFXIV, where DRGs wear light armor and are squishy, tell me, how would a tank job, geared with similar equips to a DRG, survive a tankbuster? And if I remember right, Red Mages always had lower HP growth than a White Mage (since FFI).

I'm sure the devs COULD make Red Mage a tank, but just like FFXI did, by completely breaking apart from the Red Mage archetype and making a Mystic Knight by any other name.

Star Wars made it work with the Shadow/Assassin tanks. They were only able to wear light armor but had different abilities from the other two tank classes. Have to open your mind up to different ability possibilities.

[Shurrikhan]

I'd say a DPS is the most likely single addition, but am honestly hoping it's none of the three pure roles. I'd like to see a Hybrid... coupled with revamps that increase group cross-role responsibilities in general. /shrug

[Ametrine]

I still like the concept of fixing parry and making it a core aspect of RDM if they do make it a tank. Dodging damage verses soaking it, and having skills specifically laid out to block and evade enemy skills.

Basically a tank that's defensive in a similar vein to Paladin.

The issue with that is they would still require the fortitude to survive a tank buster, so the class wpuld still require high VIT and DEF, in addition to forcing a player to be proactive and strategic on when to utilize certain cool downs (such as a temp. invincibility skill or a sudden surge of defense) to handle them. It would make for a weird rotation.






....that said, I still want Geomancer to be one of the new jobs. I want my bells and elemental skills...

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Nope. I think we'll only see two jobs; both being DPS.

[Nyerieri]

Personally I don't think they will touch red mage at all. Red mage has traditionally never been good at any job. We have WHM for healing, BLM for magic damage, SCH for healing, AST being the hybrid. The boat already sailed for red mage during heavensward if you ask me. Red mage as a tank? Sure a great idea in theory, but this game places no emphasis on elemental resistance. En-spells would end up being much like flash. I have a hard time seeing where it would fit anywhere without it treading on too much of another job. Some have also mentioned giving red mage double cast, another great ability in theory, but they would say they can't add it due tor balance issues. If they did somehow add it, it would last maybe 10 seconds with a 5 minute cooldown. I can't see how they give red mage much offensive magic given how most of the other mage jobs have each elemental covered. The idea of parry being for red mage would end up as red mage looking much like paladin.

--- We can also discuss Phalanx, Refresh, any of the abilities from 11 if you want, but do you think they will give them any meaningful times they would last? We get an auto refresh now and in my opinion Phalanx would be too far outside of their comfort zone (and if the player base somehow did convince them to add this ability, it would again only last a pitiful time such as 8-10 seconds in the name of that balance!!)

I wish someone would sit down and write out how they think red mage would work without it treading on another job so much that we have two of the same jobs. Sit and think about it and I bet very few will come up with a working job for red mage

To be honest, I see them adding one DPS, MAYBE two. The two DPS being either Samurai or Puppetmaster. Puppetmaster would fit nicely into the lore since Ala Mhigo is the home of monks (if we are headed there). They could be an off branch of the monk tribe. Just my two thoughts. I'll be waiting for the detailed write up on red mage instead of saying someone wants it to complete the trinity even if it stomps all over an existing job.