Curious state of raiding and could something from the early days of XI fix it?

[panderin]

I know...this is going to sound convuluted as hell but I got to thinking/remembering. I played XI in the DAYS OF YORE....aka now I am an old person playing FFXIV. I cannot speak to what has happened to XI just that many people went to WoW b/c OMG XI was too hard!!

If any old school players remember Dynamis and BCNM's, NM's, HNM's, Sky, Sea and raiding in that game in general....do you think this player base is simply lacking for this type of content.

[panderin]

Now granted you would have to open it up to a lot more players and some statics might have an issue with that but do you think it could work to fill some of those stop gaps that are happening with gear and raiding? Those pieces that you had to save for months and were truly special snowflake pieces and there were NO CATCHUPS! You had to be in linkshells that way you could accrue points and earn those pieces and lot on the drops. I don't know what I am trying to articulate here but do you think it could work or am I remembering with rose colored glasses?

[Masekase_Hurricane]

It is bad enough with SE's caps on items never mind adding player caps into the mix too.

[panderin]

It is bad enough with SE's caps on items never mind adding player caps into the mix too.

I apologize, I guess I don't know what you mean by this, can you explain?

[Kallera]

If Dynamis did come back it would have to have considerably tougher mobs in order to replicate the experience. it was also a lengthy amount of time due to the speed of combat and need for crowd control.

To be fair, crowd control and other debuffs are a thing that needs to come back for this game, but dynamis was also a product of its time (and a fickle RNGsus/Lootcifer). Given the chance for something similar though (and the closest I think that would fit is a redone diadem) I would welcome it, as dynamis had ls involvement in spades. it is a chance to get the fcs involved, which is sorely needed in the game.

[panderin]

Honestly that is what I thought Diadem was going to be, the names were even similar and the way it was with tougher mobs was something I thought we would see from that area. I don't know if it could be reworked to give us that type of content but instead of scrapping it, it does seem it might be worthy. Also like early days Kirin fighting and King Behemoth fighting in that game where it could take ages to kill and you knew you were going to die and people had to cycle in and out and marginally know their role....again I am just talking.

[Lan_Mantear]

The battles definitely had more focus on strategy and teamwork. Rather than today's scripted mechanics and button mashing. Before people started burning Kirin because of being overgeared, it was fun having a NIN or PLD kite it while your DPS skillchained light for Magic burst damage.

I wish they would re-introduce the claiming system and timed Notorious Monster spawns in the open world. Sure that generated drama, but it also added healthy Linkshell competition and group involvement, which this game is sorely lacking. Beyond 'world's first' there is no real sense of competition in this game or any real need to group up with more than 8 people at a time.

[Felis]

All what we need is the return of Hamlet Defense

[panderin]

I really think it could also cater to that sense of involvement/camaraderie that Yoshi keeps insisting he wants but missing the mark on for midcore players. There is a dire need for a different type of content b/c many people desire to raid but cannot find a group deeply committed. I also think it could help any casual player who could only raid say one night per week but be committed to that one night. I think with some reworking this type of idea could be that content.

[MoonPhaseAlpha]

I, too, played in the days of Yore for FFXI, back when Rise of the Zilart was coming out. I remember being in Dynamis for 3+ hours unlocking time extensions and getting as much relic as possible; killing Jormy for 4 hours in Uleguerand Range or Vrtra in King Ranperre's Tome; farming Sky pops; running Limbus twice a week... ah the good ole days... Sadly I'm getting too old to devote this much time to scheduled events. As much as I loved it back then, now, I just don't have the energy.

I enjoyed what FFXI brought to the table and wouldn't take back any of the experiences or friendships I've made. However, I don't think I would want any of these types of events in FFXIV. This game is not FFXI.

I'm good with FFXIV the way it is and this comes from a former hardcore player in FFXI.

I had high hopes for Diadem to be similar to Dynamis, but with less time involved; I hope SE reworks this soon and makes some major changes.