Exping/Claiming System

[viion]

I also think that if you get PL'd all the way to 50 then you really don't know how to play your job because you really don't know what your ability/job is capable of or what they do.

Stupidest thing I've heard in my life.

Killing mobs over and over does not train you for any endgame content at all, you can go through your skill list to learn read them and you know what they do, can spend 10 mins in a pt to get a feel of whats best or ask someone and bam you've learnt the job

End of the day each class turns down to "1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9" ...

[Malakii]

lol stupidest in your opinion maybe but you be surprised that not everyone can do that and just reading the description and asking people still don't get you the feel that you would have if you leveled it normally

[Dalmore]

The problem I have isnt the pl'ing per say, even though Ithink pl'ing is dumb,boring, lazy and we' w/e
My problem is with the claim system. DO you guys have any idea how easy it is to steal a NM or any mob for that matter from a DoM when they first claim it? a cpl provokes, warmonger and cures and you can take any mob away from a DoM trust me i know. once u get full agro kite it away from its spawn it turns yellow then red and bam you have a nicely claimed nm.

[Arcell]

1. EXP is fine as it is. Sure you can level pretty quickly but this game is built around leveling multiple (or all) classes, especially where combat is concerned.

2. There will always be some way to powerlevel. I'd rather they keep it how it is now then over-fix it and end up hurting legit players. And as far as the knowing how to play your job issue goes, there are people who hit 50 "legitimately" who don't know how to play their class. Terrible players will always exist, powerleveling or not. Also, at least in my experience, people tend to start grinding in parties at 40 in the strongholds. These kinds of parties give players the experience they need for playing their class. Most content prior to that doesn't require much knowledge of how to play ones class properly.

3. The new claiming system is awesome, it fixed a lot of problems we had previously. When the party size was knocked down from 15 to 8, a lot of people complained they couldn't do things with large groups. Now you can. The previous claim system didn't allow people to gain SP for monsters that weren't claimed, and you could only claim a single group at a time. That was awful, the new system is great.

The problem I have isnt the pl'ing per say, even though Ithink pl'ing is dumb,boring, lazy and we' w/e
My problem is with the claim system. DO you guys have any idea how easy it is to steal a NM or any mob for that matter from a DoM when they first claim it? a cpl provokes, warmonger and cures and you can take any mob away from a DoM trust me i know. once u get full agro kite it away from its spawn it turns yellow then red and bam you have a nicely claimed nm.

Easy way to combat this, if you're in a group: Have someone use Accomplice on said d-bag who's trying to steal the monster.

[nibelunc]

Lvling from 30 to 50 is really easy.. With a party you are able to gain 1000+ EXP for a chain.
I tried to lvl my r20 today and I got around 100 EXP for fighting one mob at same lvl.
As you remember the fights are much more difficult and take longer time now.

With that said, you are able to get EXTREMELY more EXP with a party and you need MUCH more time if you play solo. It's nearly impossible to play solo now.

[Arcell]

Lvling from 30 to 50 is really easy.. With a party you are able to gain 1000+ EXP for a chain.
I tried to lvl my r20 today and I got around 100 EXP for fighting one mob at same lvl.
As you remember the fights are much more difficult and take longer time now.

With that said, you are able to get EXTREMELY more EXP with a party and you need MUCH more time if you play solo. It's nearly impossible to play solo now.

True, getting to 30 is now the hard part. Leves aren't too bad but the EXP can get poor in some small ranges, making it feel like it takes forever. Soloing is a lot more rough than it used to be. I think this is also partially because some of the crafting recipes for gear in that range is still missing.

[Dalmore]

1. EXP is fine as it is. Sure you can level pretty quickly but this game is built around leveling multiple (or all) classes, especially where combat is concerned.

2. There will always be some way to powerlevel. I'd rather they keep it how it is now then over-fix it and end up hurting legit players. And as far as the knowing how to play your job issue goes, there are people who hit 50 "legitimately" who don't know how to play their class. Terrible players will always exist, powerleveling or not. Also, at least in my experience, people tend to start grinding in parties at 40 in the strongholds. These kinds of parties give players the experience they need for playing their class. Most content prior to that doesn't require much knowledge of how to play ones class properly.

3. The new claiming system is awesome, it fixed a lot of problems we had previously. When the party size was knocked down from 15 to 8, a lot of people complained they couldn't do things with large groups. Now you can. The previous claim system didn't allow people to gain SP for monsters that weren't claimed, and you could only claim a single group at a time. That was awful, the new system is great.





Easy way to combat this, if you're in a group: Have someone use Accomplice on said d-bag who's trying to steal the monster.

And if your solo your just screwed? but yea accomplice doesnt burn through 2 vokes, warmonge and cures.... lol by the time accomplice is ready again so is voke more heals so on.

Wonder if spend hours upon hours stealin nms and mobs from ppl ( since with the new claim system it is perfectly legit right?) maybe just maybe i'll get enough people bitching about it and SE might fix it.

[Dalmore]

Lvling from 30 to 50 is really easy.. With a party you are able to gain 1000+ EXP for a chain.
I tried to lvl my r20 today and I got around 100 EXP for fighting one mob at same lvl.
As you remember the fights are much more difficult and take longer time now.

With that said, you are able to get EXTREMELY more EXP with a party and you need MUCH more time if you play solo. It's nearly impossible to play solo now.

What are you killing your lvl that only gives 100exp? really? since 1.19 i have yet to kill something 1 lvl under me for only 100 exp.

[quantumsaint]

1. I personally agree with you here. Now that the Link and Chain systems provide incentives for doing grinding well, I wouldn't mind it taking a bit longer to get to 50, especially since there are many activities designed for middle levels.

2. Meh. People who are power-leveling are missing the opportunity to really learn their class by 50. Sure they can catch up, but you end up initially with players at 50 who don't even know all of their abilities. This could be irritating when it's easier to form groups for end-game content, but right now it's not really a problem for me.

3. I understand your concern here, but I don't think they should make changes. The stronghold bosses were not designed for parties of 8, so we would need an alliance system to tackle them without these changes to the claim system. Yes, abuse of the system could be a problem, but I haven't heard of your scenario happening so far.

What middle class activities are you talking about? It feels like there is a lack of content from about 30 to 45 IMO. At any rate, I wouldn't classify what few available activities there are as "many."

[Arcell]

And if your solo your just screwed? but yea accomplice doesnt burn through 2 vokes, warmonge and cures.... lol by the time accomplice is ready again so is voke more heals so on.

Wonder if spend hours upon hours stealin nms and mobs from ppl ( since with the new claim system it is perfectly legit right?) maybe just maybe i'll get enough people bitching about it and SE might fix it.

If your party has a tank that doesn't suck, another party shouldn't be able to walk in mid-kill and steal your NM. But again, this strategy hinges upon having a tank that knows how to actually play their class.