My opinion on endgame gear progression : DRK i225, 4th month of subscription

[Exidrial]

NOTE: I am disappointed in how this game is turning out.If you wanna play the white knight and defend this game because it's the greatest game ever: Yeah got ya, you like it.Don't be rude in the comments.I'm just venting the disappointment and anger that's been building up.
So yeah the post may sound angry, just don't take my anger too serious, kay?I care about this game, I want it to be great.

EDIT: Please note that I've just been playing this game for 4 months.I don't know much about the games gear update cycles.I only know that i240 is easy to get and a lot of people have it.

EDIT 12423508252 : Thank's for your comments everybody. According to you my complaints are the result of these so called "catch-up" patches.
I'm going to re-evaluate my opinion of the gear progression as soon as a new major content patch comes out.


Hey there,

I main DRK.I currently am full 230/240 on the left side and are working on 230/240 accesoires right now. My weapon is i210.

I have never done Alexander Savage as I haven't found a party for it yet.I am however doing coil with my FC because none of us ever did t10-t13.

I am not going to rant about the content itself, I'm going to state my opinion on the gear progression.

I don't really know how to start.What I dislike the most is that raiding doesn't really reward you.
What is the point in doing the hard content,that Alexander Savage is, if you're not really getting anything out of it?
i240 armor is extremely easy to get outside of raids.And I do mean extremely easy.
Just do your expert roulette every day, do void ark and weeping city once per week and boom.i240 equipment. Yeah sure breast and pants take 2 weeks but whatever.

Why should I raid if i240 equipment is this easy to get?All you have to do is doing those extremely boring faceroll easy dungeons/raids. Why even bother with savage raids?

Some may say weapons, lets talk about them:

It's confusing that i240 armor is extremely easy to get but weapons are not.
You actually have to work for your weapons, at least more than for your armor.
The easiest to get not somewhat hard content weapon is the i210 one.Get your i200, run void ark 1 time boom i210.

If you want something better than that do Sephirot EX, and even better is the Nidhogg EX one. That's no faceroll content ('im not saying its extremely hard either).

But what about the best weapons in the game? This is where depression,agony and anger starts to pop up.

Animus. Animus is i240 and yet on certain classes better than the i245 A8S weapon. WHAT?! Even if it was better.Why.The.Crap.Is.An.Easy.To.Get.Weapon.That.Freaking.Good ?!

Don't get me wrong, Animus is the biggest pain in the butt I have probably experienced so far in any mmo by having you do boring lower level dungeons and the failure that FATEs are.
It is annoying to get, but not hard to get.

As I see it Animus is not worth the high amount of boring content you have to do to get it.Even if it's one of the best weapons.
The i245 isn't worth it either because it's nothing special.Hard to get but not worth the time considering if you just shut down your brain and sold your soul to the devil you could get an evenly good weapon.


Honestly Square Enix. What are you trying to accomplish? Do you want to please Savage Raiders by throwing something to do at them but at the same time give the people that can't be bothered to even try to finishing niddhog normal without dying the best possible gear in the game?


This is annoying me so much with this game.Square Enix is handing everything away.You don't have to work for anything.They are even thinking of implementing jump potions so that people don't even have to play the game! What's next?Bots that farm EXP for you?
Why not make new characters insta 60 and have the best possible equipment in the game from the get-go?


What is the point in playing this game?

"You've got so much other stuff to do!" - Yeah but this is a fighting MMO (and being marketed as one).Not a fishing or crafting or gaterhing mmo.The only reason many people play this game is for the accomplishment.The feeling of having achieved something.

"If you don't like it why are you playing it" - I am a huge Final Fantasy fan and I enjoy this game when playing with friends.

"What's your problem then?" - I'm not getting the feeling of having accomplished something in this game.I want to be rewarded for beating hard content.


Honestly people, please tell me what I'm supposed to do in this game.Gear progression is crap, dungeons aren't even remotely challenging, leveling alt jobs is just tedious FATE grinding.

I am a paying customer, I'm allowed to state my opinion.If you disagree with my opinion feel free to comment but keep it civilized.

During the past 4 months I have lost several ingame friends because they've stopped playing.Two of them were playing since 2.0 was released, they didn't see the point in this game anymore because all they did was beast tribe dailies, roulette, raids once per week then log off.

To all the players that like getting everything shoved into their butt: I hate you, you are ruining the gaming industry.I'm waiting for SE to sell the best equipment in the game on the mogstation.I wouldn't be surprised if they did.

PS: I only rant on the forum. I'm using the forum to vent my frustration and disappointment in this game. Yes there are things that are fun in this game (I enjoy doing Palace of the Dead with friends, Coil is fun too) but since I'm a progression oriented gamer I obviously need progression otherwise I lose fun pretty quickly.

So yeah I'm just another angry dude ranting in this forum.

Edit: THIS:

People in this game have traditionally been lazy as hell. Its to do with the catchup type patch cycles.

SE is developing new content but at the same time dumping old content because apparently people can't be bothered to actually play the game.
That's one of the reason why people, like me, complain about this game having no meaningful endgame content and no gear progression.

[Lendle]

In this day and age "ranting" / "complaining" is frowned at. But I say rant on brother/sister, its super healthy to speak your mind and let your voice be heard!

[mp-please]

Whats exactly the point of this thread when odd numbered patches exist to let new players catch up? Raiding will always be the fastest way of reaching the max ilevel for the update, but 3 months later after the raid release the odd numbered patch comes up so new players can gear up for the next tier of raiding.
Imagine 3.4 coming out and every single new player being i230 or having to blow millions on the new crafting sets, which will most likely not even come out on 3.4 but on 3.45.

[CookieMonsta]

People in this game have traditionally been lazy as hell. Its to do with the catchup type patch cycles.

[Exidrial]

We're talking about endgame.
You can either do easy as crap facerolly dungeons or content that is too hard for a lot of people.
I get that not everybody has tons of free time.I just dislike the fact that Savage Raids (which are hard) don't give better equipment than Dungeons (which are really really easy).
I don't want to gear up as fast as possible.I want the best equipment possible.No reason to do savage since you can get it with tomestones.


Look at the game right now. A lot of people already have the i240 lore equipment.Raiders don't have anything better.

People complain about this game having not much content.The problem is this "Yeah with this patch new players can catch up easier!". Square Enix is creating new content but at the same time dumping the old content because people can't be bothered to actually play the game.I mean who does that?Playing a game pffff.

[Rufalus]

Choices for weapons are either challenging or long grind. Either way the person earned it. If you try to keep casual players far behind the elite statics no matter how much they grind then it would hurt the success of the game. You don't need to have a higher gear level than other people to feel special. Clearing the content is a reward in itself, no? Plus the raid weapons are unique designs so you could stand in a populated area and show off your Midan sword if you wanted.

[TankHunter678]

A lot of people have i240 gear because a catchup patch came out that gave them something to spend their lore on and upgrade. Before that the top ilvl was the savage raiders. Come 3.4 the top ilvl people will be the savage raiders again.

The problem is that there is no midcore content, no stepping stone so that catch up patches are not as needed to give people the chance of getting into savage raiding. the way things are right now you either have content for everyone, or content for the hardcore who master their class. Nothing for the "growing" casual who might become a hardcore if they just had something to get them into savage raiding.

[Exidrial]

Choices for weapons are either challenging or long grind. Either way the person earned it. If you try to keep casual players far behind the elite statics no matter how much they grind then it would hurt the success of the game. You don't need to have a higher gear level than other people to feel special. Clearing the content is a reward in itself, no? Plus the raid weapons are unique designs so you could stand in a populated area and show off your Midan sword if you wanted.

Yes and no.

In my opinion people that grind for Animus weapons might have earned it but I don't look at the weapon as being prestigeous.I pity the people for having gone through the imo tedious and boring grind. I would never do that, I have better things to do, like ranting on the forums.It's way more fun.As I already said: It's not hard to get, just tedious.

Prestige is something that motivates a lot of people, that's true. I am not saying Raiders should have i240 stuff while casuals have, i dunno, i200 or something but people that do not raid should not have the best equipment in the game if you ask me.The best equipment should be reserved for those who beat the hardest content in the game.
People that don't raid don't need the best equipment for anything anyway.

[mp-please]

Prestige is something that motivates a lot of people, that's true. I am not saying Raiders should have i240 stuff while casuals have, i dunno, i200 or something but people that do not raid should not have the best equipment in the game if you ask me.The best equipment should be reserved for those who beat the hardest content in the game.
People that don't raid don't need the best equipment for anything anyway.

And the best equipment is reserved to those who beat the hardest content in the game for the 1st 3-4 months the content came out. Now everyone can get i240 gear and then on 3.4, again, only raiders can get their hands on the best equipment with the current i240 gear needing replacement.

It's a cycle that's active since 2.0 and allows fresh blood to join raiding.

[WinterLuna]

The answer is because they release raids so people have something challenging to do and then release a catch up patch where the rest of the player base can get a similar level weapon for half of the effort.

Some people would argue the fun is in the challenge itself and not the reward, but I understand where you're coming from. It almost feels pointless to do the hard work when it will be matched with little effort and the same reward a few months after.

I don't really have a lot to say on the subject because it's been this way since the Coils, although I admit it's getting a little repetitive and tedious. On the other hand, the more casual players need some way of catching up, or they'd forever be behind.

I have mixed feelings.