Roulette for orphaned L50 content (Extreme Trial Roulette, or similar)

[Eorzean_username]

Feedback from users of Mentor Roulette seems to indicate that the i135+ Sync of L50 content is adequate to brute-force most older content at this point.

Compare these two examples:

• Titan Hard is part of Trial Roulette. I regularly clear this battle either with half the party dead / Landslided, or sometimes after a wipe or two (if the party is really disoriented, or off their game).
• Ultima's Bane is not part of any roulette. When my queue for this finally popped after 2 hours, we cleared it with one wipe (following an explanation about Aetherial Booms and Tank LB).

As a new player coming from L1-50 MSQ progression, it was counter-intuitive and very frustrating to be given a new quest ("Go kill Ultima again", "Go kill Garuda Extreme"), told by the quest explicitly to use Duty Finder, and then wait 2-3+ hours for a pop (if ever).

I would like to see an 'Extreme Trial Roulette' or similar, that would include Extreme Trials and other previously-difficult content that has now reached a point of being reliably brute-forced due to iLevels, Echo buffs, and community familiarity.

Examples of currently-orphaned content (ie, long queues and reliance on unsynced PF carries):

• Minstrel's Ballad: Ultima's Bane
• Howling Eye (Extreme)
• Navel (Extreme)
• Bowl of Embers (Extreme)
• Thornmarch (Extreme)
• Whorleater (Extreme)
• Striking Tree (Extreme)
• Ahk Afah Amphitheatre (Extreme)
• Urth's Fount

As for the Coils of Bahamut, which are also orphaned, I believe that may be crossing a threshold for Duty Finder random groups without some modifications to 1-shot and partywide-wipe mechanics.

[ruskie]

Has been often requested:
Duty Roulette: Trials EX
Duty Roulette: 8 man raids level 50
Duty Roulette: 24 man raids
Duty Roulette: 8 man raids level 60
Duty Roulette: 8 man raids

But Mentor roulette does take all the DFable content into it so you can get coils and other stuff in there I believe.

[bounddreamer]

When I get the extreme trials for mentor roulette I cringe, and I've been getting them fairly often. Most of the time people are barely geared enough to get into the instance and they don't know the fight. I would say failure rate for the extremes I've gotten has been 50% or more. The clears have been gratifying, but I really think people should do PF for learning these fights at the synced level.

[Cnidarian]

When I get the extreme trials for mentor roulette I cringe, and I've been getting them fairly often. Most of the time people are barely geared enough to get into the instance and they don't know the fight. I would say failure rate for the extremes I've gotten has been 50% or more. The clears have been gratifying, but I really think people should do PF for learning these fights at the synced level.

Not to mention that the majority of those runs end up with people who refuse to listen to advice or are just flat out ignoring anything typed into party chat. Nothing like Titan EX where half the raid is off the edge prior to heart phase (or taking a swim on Levi). Even after thoroughly explaining the fights, you still have the same people doing the same mistakes over and over again.

[Snugglebutt]

When I get the extreme trials for mentor roulette I cringe, and I've been getting them fairly often. Most of the time people are barely geared enough to get into the instance and they don't know the fight. I would say failure rate for the extremes I've gotten has been 50% or more. The clears have been gratifying, but I really think people should do PF for learning these fights at the synced level.

Well that's the bullet a mentor bites when choose to become a mentor and run mentor roulette's. They or you are there not just for yourself in those as a mentor, you are there to help others so no they should not just stick to PF for learning them. Your/their job as a mentor in that roulette is to teach and to help. No offense intended but if your running mentor roulette's as a mentor but only for yourself and do not want to teach people how to do it then you should stop being a mentor. As for people not listening, such is life...will always be a few bad apples once in a while. As for the OP's suggestion, I agree that would be nice to have an additional non-mentor and by proxy non-learning/teaching version of EX trial roulette's on top of what we have at the moment.

[LunaFaye]

When I get the extreme trials for mentor roulette I cringe, and I've been getting them fairly often. Most of the time people are barely geared enough to get into the instance and they don't know the fight. I would say failure rate for the extremes I've gotten has been 50% or more. The clears have been gratifying, but I really think people should do PF for learning these fights at the synced level.

what do you call clearly under geared? Most of the X trials are the old ARR trials, meaning we did them while wearing old coil (t1-5) and/or myth gear, upgrading to soldiery gear was amazing even a mix and match out of i90 gear was better than the stupid tome stone gear. I could go on but the point is, everything you get is better than that. Don't matter if you're sync'd nowadays or not it's still better compared to the times this content was actual relevant. On top of that SE added lots and lots of echo to each of these trials as well as nerfed couple of mechanics or dmg in/output taken/shared etc. So yea clearly not a lack of gear that people can't beat the content.

[MeiUshu]

When I get the extreme trials for mentor roulette I cringe, and I've been getting them fairly often. Most of the time people are barely geared enough to get into the instance and they don't know the fight. I would say failure rate for the extremes I've gotten has been 50% or more. The clears have been gratifying, but I really think people should do PF for learning these fights at the synced level.

err excuse me but Mentor roulette is for new people and the Mentor there to help those new people. They are not barely geared for that dungeon tehy are geared appropriatedly for that dungeon, those new people doing the Mentor roulette do it to progress and be helped by someone with knowledge, overgeared obviously, to progrees. They are not in the wrong place at all, but maybe you shouldnt run the Mentor roulette ify ou expect people in there to know the fight when is not the purpose at all of that place.
You really dont deserve that crown in my opinion

[Nicobo]

err excuse me but Mentor roulette is for new people and the Mentor there to help those new people....

Strictly it is not for helping new people, it is for helping fill party member slots. ^^;

Duty Roulette: Mentor

Mentors will also gain access to Duty Roulette: Mentor, which assigns players to duties that are struggling to fill party member slots.
* With the exception of parties actively seeking members for an ongoing duty, Duty Roulette: Mentor will not match together a full party of mentors.

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...2b5a39c#mentor

[Estellios]

It still prioritizes putting you in duties with new people so that person's point still stands. And well, it's kind of the reason Mentors exist in the first place.

[Nicobo]

It still prioritizes putting you in duties with new people so that person's point still stands. And well, it's kind of the reason Mentors exist in the first place.

Where did you see above "new people" priority?
Did you mean all non-mentors are new people? ^^;