Fat Moogle Mount on Mogstation!

[Alleo]

@SagaSoluna: But you also have no idea so your guesses are the same as ours. And to be honest, I don't care what goes on behind the doors, I am a paying customer and I care about the benefits and content of the product that I am buying. They are a company and like any company need to make money to survive but at the same time I and others can make our complain if we think the way they do that is too greedy. I don't owe them anything so why should I be okay with everything they do?

I mean I can take all those things you just wrote and say it to the people that always tell us that the money that is made from the CS will benefit the game or that we got our EU data center thank to that but there is no real proof for this either. (Not sure on the latter) So nobody truly knows what goes on, nobody will ever know why they thought about putting it there and putting that price tag on it and even if we would know it, we still can say what is on our mind if we don't like it.

I am just not sure why you are so aggressive about it? Its fine that you find it okay, no need for that kind of tone. I mean having another version of that mount in the game to get without real money would not be negative for you? Or having all mounts be obtainable ingame would also not make it negative for you, so I am not sure why you are arguing so strongly for the mogstation? I also bought items from it, went to their EU shop and bought merchandise and so on...but lets just put every single argument and every single poster on one side and bash everything they say because I don't like it...

If we are only allowed to complain about something if we know every bit of information than nobody of us is ever allowed to do so (even outside of the game) because that would be impossible.

And I am quite sure that anyone can say they worked at company xyz but this does not make your arguments any better since this is not company xyz so SE can work way different than your company did (since EU and Japanese tend to be quite different ^^) and who can even believe that you did work there? I mean anyone can write anything on the internet. These "facts" are no better than our "baseless conclusions". Really its posts like these that can make an interesting discussion sour very fast..

And yes SE has the right to do what they want ^^ and I as a customer have the right to say (in a civilized way) how I think about it.

[Yallaid]

*wailing, gnashing teeth* Damn you Cash Shop, Damn you all to Hell!

[Skivvy]

*wailing, gnashing teeth* Damn you Cash Shop, Damn you all to Hell!

I like the cut of your jib. Tell me more, adorable lala!

[Yallaid]

I like the cut of your jib. Tell me more, adorable lala!

You maniacs!! [the ffxiv dev team] You blew it up!! [referring to the expanding library of items only available via real money transactions]

[Zigabar]

My problem is not that "You disagree with me" but that you seem to think that your opinion is untouchable on the ground of being a customer, just like Chalbee explains.

Would you like a mirror? *continues to eat popcorn*

[SagaSoluna]

Would you like a mirror? *continues to eat popcorn*

It´s not really the same.
I have stated that some poster´s opinions were nothing but wild speculations, which is a fact and matches the dictionary description of the word speculation.

Offer me a mirror when i claim that my opinions are untouchable or that they are the absolute truth on the subject at hand.
So far, i did not do so, i merely discarded someone else´s opinions as invalid.

Close, but no cigar, Zigabar.

[Teryaani]

It´s not really the same.
I have stated that some poster´s opinions were nothing but wild speculations, which is a fact and matches the dictionary description of the word speculation.

Offer me a mirror when i claim that my opinions are untouchable or that they are the absolute truth on the subject at hand.
So far, i did not do so, i merely discarded someone else´s opinions as invalid.

Close, but no cigar, Zigabar.

Claiming the speculations, and it's worth noting that your original post was global - it wasn't quoting anyone, are "wild" is implying that they are without merit or baseless. Again, you weren't replying to anyone specific in your trigger post, you were replying to everyone who didn't like the cash shop. So you discarded all of their opinions as invalid.

[SagaSoluna]

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That is because their complaints are based on something that none of us has real access to it´s relevant data.
It of course also applies to me, but that does not make my dismissal any less valid.

Saying "The tooltip says this ability shoul do 100 damage and it does 150 damage instead" is a valid complaint because it is something you can prove.
Saying "Every time an exclusive item makes it to the cash shop, it means they cut content from the game or it´s developing time that could have been added to the game" is pure speculation.

Why? Because in truth none of us knows how they work at SE or how they organize to create extra content, or if that content would have been created at all without the mogstation, or even if it´s made by the same team etc etc etc.

It´s does not have the same validity as a regular complaint.

[Teryaani]

That is because their complaints are based on something that none of us has real access to it´s relevant data.
It of course also applies to me, but that does not make my dismissal any less valid.

Saying "The tooltip says this ability shoul do 100 damage and it does 150 damage instead" is a valid complaint because it is something you can prove.
Saying "Every time an exclusive item makes it to the cash shop, it means they cut content from the game or it´s developing time that could have been added to the game" is pure speculation.

Why? Because in truth none of us knows how they work at SE or how they organize to create extra content, or if that content would have been created at all without the mogstation, or even if it´s made by the same team etc etc etc.

It´s does not have the same validity as a regular complaint.

Voicing concerns based on trends and trends seen in comparable products is fine though. I personally prefer to include as much caveat-loaded language as I can when I'm not worked up, but I slip up too.

I'm actually thinking that the real disagreement is over what people feel is included in a subscription. Before you say it, yeah - Square did tell us that they reserved the option to do additive services and left it vague enough, but that's where the word "feel" comes in.

Square never promised to leave the holiday items on the vendors, but people felt like they should have and so were upset about it. The sort of items that show up in the cash shop had always been part of the game so people felt like those items were being taken out of the game rather than being made just for the cash shop. This is almost definitely the way it was planned, but the player that's upset didn't know that and so all they see is something that they feel had been included in the game and now is being charged as an extra.

I don't think SE has been excessive - I mean the dyes were stupid and the furnishing thing about it being destroyed was dumb, but in aggregate, they've been good in my opinion. Othe's have a different threshold and I'm not going to change their minds. I do agree that countering factual inaccuracies is important though.

[Chalbee]

...So you discarded all of their opinions as invalid.

Please see my earlier post RE: opinion vs. assertion. It is fair game to criticize baseless speculation which is used to back an assertion. As a matter of fact, invalidating your opponent's arguments is the entire point of debate. If you don't want to be invalidated, don't build truth statements on shaky premises. De gustibus non est disputandum. De veritate disputandum est!