Fat Moogle Mount on Mogstation!

[Bourne_Endeavor]

"Anti-mooglestation" holy banana bread, read the topic please. Most people here aren't even talking about the mogstation, they're talking about exclusive items.
No one is saying that the game is worse either, but YES, people are warned because of their decisions and they should be. You don't need to have your afternoon tea at Square Enix escritory to actually know that cash shops should be watched and treated carefully, you just need to play MMOs for some time and watch the MMO market. It's not rocket science. The MMO history is all the proof the one needs to actually be afraid of cash shop moves.
You can ignore that all you want. But then it's your choice, do not come preaching for "proof" like we're at some kind of tribunal here.

It's all a matter of logic. If the item cannot have been made into the game, then why it exists for mogstation? Why the mogstation is the priority for an EXCLUSIVE item? Does it exist because of mogstation money? Then, mogstation is supporting mogstation? Because if that's the case, it's worse. We're not supporting the game paying for items, we're supporting the cash shop itself. The item COULD'VE been a recolour, like Red Fenrir. But no. Putting an exclusive item on mogstation was a CHOICE. A greedy choice.
If you think that this is okay. GREAT. But there's absolutely nothing wrong with not being comfortable with it.

This is a slippery slope fallacy. It paints a doom and gloom scenario wherein Square is on the cusp of exploiting their Cash Shop when we've yet to see any examples of this since its implementation two years ago. You wanting every item readily available in game doesn't give it any intrinsic value nor does it set any precedent. These mounts serve no functionality beyond looking different. They do not give you any sort of advantage. If you deem it too expensive, you can simply not buy it and be no worse off. I'm likely waiting until it goes on sale because the price is a bit too steep. But outside some disappointment, I'll get over it.

Why the exclusivity? Because people have asked for it. The JP playerbase differs substantially in their opinion over the Mogstation if receive threads are any indication. They dislike palette swaps and asked for something unique. Given the price, I can somewhat appreciate that. I'm far more likely to buy an item like this or Sleipnir because I have no other means of getting it. Square is a business after all. These items sell and enough players want them. Frankly, even with a sub, the cost to value ratio still favors FFXIV over F2P games. Consider...

FFXIV: 3 months subs + $24 Mount = $63
Black Desert: Two outfits = $64. And let's not forget that new sub model they added that basically screws people who opt out.
Blade & Soul: RNG loot boxes and enormous grind skips, plus each new outfit costing $15-20
Elder Scrolls: Mounts range from $12 to $33.
WoW: Mounts cost $25, plus there is a sub fee.

Of each title listed, only one offers a guaranteed major content update every three months. That is what we pay for. The Cash Shop is a completely separate entity. FFXIV also boasts the least amount of items on its Cash Shop by far. Thus, I don't see why it is so vilified. If anything, SE has shown ample restraint compared to their counterparts-- including WoW. Now that does not mean everyone should embrace it. You do you, boo. Value is always subjective in these instances. But let's not pretend this is some horrifying situation where SE is trying to nickel and dime its playerbase while other MMOs wouldn't dare. Sure, you can play BDO or B&S entirely free, however you won't see nearly the equivalent updates nor have access to the amount of glamour. And like both, you can opt out of paying for stuff in FFXIV too.

[Zigabar]

Playing some catch up here, sorry for not acknowledging earlier. D:

[Limit snip] leveling potion. At what point do they draw the line? We all have our threshold for what we feel is acceptable, and maybe some of the pro-cash shop people will switch sides at that point. Hopefully it won't cross that line at all, but we'll see. XIV is designed to be casual, and those types of items do fit in with that model.
http://gamerescape.com/2016/06/17/e3...naoki-yoshida/

(I'm just glad you saw it. I was like BUT ONE MORE POST PLEASE! haha) If they do present leveling potions, I would definitely stop my support for Mogstation, not saying it would be enough to make me stop enjoying the game. I really hope they don't add them, regardless.

The amount of self-entitlement and nothing but wild speculation from the anti-mooglestation side is unbearable.
Your entire arguments are nothing but wild guesses and negative, baseless conclusions on what you think that is actually happening within closed doors.

I wouldn't say their arguments are wild guesses or baseless conclusions. They take off of what similar companies have done in the past, which in itself is a reasonable thought. I simply want to have more faith in our Dev team.

[Teryaani]

The amount of self-entitlement and nothing but wild speculation from the anti-mooglestation side is unbearable.

Unbearable? You're a bit hyperbolic and provoke-y here with the language and format choices. I see you've already gotten someone to rise to it. Raising blood pressure doesn't really help the conversation, but whatevs.

Your entire arguments are nothing but wild guesses and negative, baseless conclusions on what you think that is actually happening within closed doors.

Let's be fair for a moment.

It's not entirely baseless to bring up the instant leveling. Yoshida brought it up himself. I can dismiss it as musing or idle thought, but he said it. That's not baseless.

Overall and right now SE is trending in a pretty sane path (for me at least) when it comes to the cash shop. So like you, I don't see doom and gloom a'comin. I'm not bothered by people who don't like it though.

[Celef]

The amount of self-entitlement and nothing but wild speculation from the anti-mooglestation side is unbearable.
Your entire arguments are nothing but wild guesses and negative, baseless conclusions on what you think that is actually happening within closed doors.

You have no data, no evidence, you have absolutely nothing that proves that the game is worse off due to the inclusion of the mogstation items and again, you have absolutely no proof whatsoever that the items would have made it into the game if the devs could not have monetized them.
Your entire complaints are based on imaginary offenses that may or may not be actually happening.


And while it is true that we cannot prove that mogstation does not affect the game whatsoever either, do remember that the burden of proof falls on you, because you are the ones complaining about it and making claims.

Still saying we make speculation and it is bad when you wont proove anything either.....

A game studio has different teams assigned to different tasks.

The devs/progs that create Optional items may not even be the same people that work on game content and regular updates
You are assuming that creating optional content means less time or manpower creating the rest of content, but they may not even be related to each other and the optional item devs may not even be hired if there was no profit to be made.
Because then, a number of people who have purchased the item may have chosen to get it ingame instead, thus resulting in a loss of profits for the devs.
Not only that, but the effort and time required to obtain the item would have to be difficult and lenghty to justify it being free vs25$ , which would probably stll leave a segment of players without it.

I could be wrong saying my sub money goes to the creation of items for the CS, so could you, saying the opposite so....proove it please ?
Othewise, you are just like us, making speculation, welcom aboard \o/

[SagaSoluna]

-bs-

I said i would not post again but i could not help it when i continue to be dishonestly addressed.

1) You quoted an old post instead of my most recent one, where i better explain what i meant.
Did you do that on purpose, so that you could make an argument out of something that has already been addressed?

2) I have said it myself (heck, it´s even in the first post you quoted) that i am in the same boat as you, and yet you repeat something i have said myself, as if it was an argument against me.
I have never said that i know any more than you guys do, i have said that precisely because none of us know, making statements pretending to know how this subject affects the game is invalid and ridiculous.

I have explained this so many times, that the only reason why you guys would misquote me once again just to make an argument out of it, is that you are doing it on purpose.

Also, i find it kinda sad that the same ol ´people upvote any comment made against me, simply because it is against me, even when said comment is clearly wrong.
This smells of high-school recess.

[Skivvy]

This smells of high-school recess.

Hey, we agree finally!

[SagaSoluna]

Hey, we agree finally!

I know that yours was sarcasm, but the simple fact is that i am not the one causing it.
I had not been participating for almost an entire day when i was attacked with something that i had already addressed multiple times before, as if it was an actual argument.

Kind of pathetic and tiresome, but i guess i was not expecting any better.

[Zigabar]

Also, i find it kinda sad that the same ol ´people upvote any comment made against me, simply because it is against me, even when said comment is clearly wrong.
This smells of high-school recess.

Man, I wish my old high school had an upvote system, we just had cliques. How boring.

[SagaSoluna]

Man, I wish my old high school had an upvote system, we just had cliques. How boring.

I am upset at the fact that this actually made me laugh.

[Welsper59]

Man, I wish my old high school had an upvote system, we just had cliques. How boring.

Dunno about you guys, but we had an upvote system. It was called "Vote for the Homecoming King and Queen".