Fat Moogle Mount on Mogstation!

[Melorie]

Usually when it becomes Pay to Win, not purely cosmetic.

Well if cosmetic doesn't matter let's stop putting housing itens, mounts, minions, dyes, glamours, emoticons, hairs in the game. I mean, they don't add anything to the gameplay anyway.
I wouldn't care if this was GW2, for example, then I could put all my money in cosmetics itens because guess what, I wouldn't be paying a sub already.

Obviously you don't know how to read into something, Optional as in you can go to pay or not to pay, in no way does not buying this affect their gameplay, if people are so bothered by paying extra for EXTRA content then they should go play offline games.

I understand what you said dear, I just don't agree with your vision of optional. Thanks for supporting this business, if all online games are like this it's because people like you anyway.

[Cwestcott18]

Well if cosmetic doesn't matter let's stop putting housing itens, mounts, minions, dyes, glamours, emoticons, hairs in the game. I mean, they don't add anything to the gameplay anyway.
I wouldn't care if this was GW2, for example, then I could put all my money in cosmetics itens because guess what, I wouldn't be paying a sub already.

It sounds like GW2 is a better fit for you >.>

[Melorie]

It sounds like GW2 is a better fit for you >.>

I like FFXIV, thanks. I'm talking about business model here.

So in short, many of you would be happier if all the Mogstation content was never made because then you would not feel like you are "missing out on it", even though without the mogstation that content would have never been done and thus you would have missed on it just as much as you miss on it if you decide not to pay.

There's no way to find out if itens that are on mogstation wouldn't exist if they weren't there. I don't even know why you're treating it like the ultimate truth.

[SagaSoluna]

There's no way to find out if itens that are on mogstation wouldn't exist if they weren't there. I don't even know why you're treating it like the ultimate truth.

For the same reason that you guys treat the "We are missing on content we pay for with our sub" as the ultimate truth.
In my first post, i have already made it sufficiently clear that we cannot really know, but obviously, this is the side i take, so i am not going to mention "we can´t really know" in every post i make.

But suffice it to say that before cash shops were introduced, most MMO had A LOT less content when it comes to mounts and costumes and customization.
So i would say this business model helped, so i think my "version" is more likely than not to be true.

[Zigabar]

Well if cosmetic doesn't matter let's stop putting housing itens, mounts, minions, dyes, glamours, emoticons, hairs in the game. I mean, they don't add anything to the gameplay anyway.
I wouldn't care if this was GW2, for example, then I could put all my money in cosmetics itens because guess what, I wouldn't be paying a sub already..

Um, what? Related how? Cosmetic doesn't matter to the question I answered. End game is not affected by the items currently in Mogstation. They do not give you an advantage over anyone else where end game is concerned.

[Melorie]

Um, what? Related how? Cosmetic doesn't matter to the question I answered. End game is not affected by the items currently in Mogstation. They do not give you an advantage over anyone else where end game is concerned.

Exactly. Let's take all of the items that doesn't give you some kind of gameplay-wise advantage and let's put then in the mogstation. That's fine?

For the same reason that you guys treat the "We are missing on content we pay for with our sub" as the ultimate truth.
In my first post, i have already made it sufficiently clear that we cannot really know, but obviously, this is the side i take, so i am not going to mention "we can´t really know" in every post i make.

Because the MMO is sub-based, so it's expected that itens are made with the sub money. Way more than your conspiration of itens not existing if they weren't meant to be on mogstation. Mogstation money should've been used for the game, there are tons of mounts that can be recoloured, mogstation shouldn't support mogstation. The fact that people agree with this kind of move is what makes itens go to the mogstation in the first place, not the fact that mogstation exist makes the item idea exist.

$30 optional mount on the cash shop is too much for people. But these people are forgetting the 13 brand new minions and weapons we got, as well as 2 new mounts... for the cheap price of $0... and are also optional.

You mean the promotion and advertising? Like, the partnership that already involves money for both sides?

[Zigabar]

Exactly. Let's take all of the items that doesn't give you some kind of gameplay-wise advantage and let's put then in the mogstation. That's fine?

Ok? I still don't see how that is related to the linked conversation, with the original quote being "So when can we start saying the cash shop is the new end game?" The answer is still when it's no longer just cosmetic. Adding all cosmetics to the Mogstation still would not make it Pay to Win.