Fat Moogle Mount on Mogstation!

[Skivvy]

Well I don't see people complaining about the cinema's double-dipping their customers, "Oh, it's $10 for the ticket, you want refreshments? That's another $10 please." "But I should have my refreshments included in the ticket cost at no additional cost!" Do you see what I mean?

The movie theater business is completely different from MMOs. Most of the money from a ticket sale goes directly to the actual movie studio and NOT the theater. Concessions are where they can actually make a killing.

Well I could say the same about the fact that $60 is too expensive for console pixels but I don't because there is a certain requirement for money-to-work exchange, and from what SE has worked out, their work on the Fat Mog mount is worth $30 per person. What you could perceive as $15/$10 could very well actually be $40 by the person who made it, value is subjective to where it is being sold/by who/how much work was put into it. If you disagree with that price, then you aren't forced to purchase it and/or anything else that will or won't be included. Instead you could spend that cash to get another 30 days playtime, with that ugly Gobbie helm you don't like for playing for so long.

If I showed you a painting that is literally a yellow circle, I could put it up for sale for $100 and it would eventually be purchased by someone, but to me, it took all of $5 to make. SE is a business primarily, so profits come first. You are a customer, and you are being offered multiple things, it's up to you whether you want those multiple things or not, at an extra cost.

And you are completely missing the point. Of course value is subjective. The point is, we pay a monthly subscription cost for this game, everything (fluff) should be included with this subscription. Instead, we get nickel and dimed for special items that are cash-shop only.

[SagaSoluna]

The point is, we pay a monthly subscription cost for this game, everything (fluff) should be included with this subscription.

Based on what? Says who?
Because as far as i remember, my sub only guarantees my access to the game and the preservation of my character/account data on the servers.

[Skivvy]

Based on what? Says who?
Because as far as i remember, my sub only guarantees my access to the game and the preservation of my character/account data on the servers.

My apologies. My very first MMO was XI, and everything was included with my subscription. I suppose I expected them to continue with their original thinking when it came to the value of their subscriptions.

[SagaSoluna]

My apologies. My very first MMO was XI, and everything was included with my subscription. I suppose I expected them to continue with their original thinking when it came to the value of their subscriptions.

You seem to think that everything that´s behind a paywall would have been otherwise put into the game in another fashion when the truth is that without the extra profit, it may simply never have been made to begin with.

If i go to a restaurant and halfway thru my meal, my waitress announces that for only 1$ more i can have an extra dessert, i cannot accuse them of scamming me out of a dessert piece, because that dessert would have never been offered to me to begin with, if the offer had not been in place.

They never scammed me out of a dessert, they offered an EXTRA ONE for a price.

This is the same.

[Blazer]

You seem to think that everything that´s behind a paywall would have been otherwise put into the game in another fashion when the truth is that without the extra profit, it may simply never have been made to begin with.

If i go to a restaurant and halfway thru my meal, my waitress announces that for only 1$ more i can have an extra dessert, i cannot accuse them of scamming me out of a dessert piece, because that dessert would have never been offered to me to begin with, if the offer had not been in place.

They never scammed me out of a dessert, they offered an EXTRA ONE for a price.

This is the same.

Logic is flawed... So if they added a fight against a random FF character like Cloud, beat him and you get glamour items. The only way to participate is with an item purchased at the mogstation you would say "They're just offering me some extra... for a price" ?

[SagaSoluna]

Logic is flawed... So if they added a fight against a random FF character like Cloud, beat him and you get glamour items. The only way to participate is with an item purchased at the mogstation you would say "They're just offering me some extra... for a price" ?

How is the logic flawed.

Without the profits from the Mogstation item, they may never have made the battle against Cloud and thus that content is just extra content for a price.
If there is no profit, there is no optional content.

If tomorrow we woke up and the Mogstation was gone, you may feel like you are getting "the full package" because there is no longer anything behind a paywall.
But truth is, that you are simply missing on all that extra paid content, that now is no longer there.

As a non cash-shopping player, you are getting exactly the same amount of content that you would have gotten if there was no Mogstation.

[Cwestcott18]

How is the logic flawed.

Without the profits from the Mogstation item, they may never have made the battle against Cloud and thus that content is just extra content for a price.
If there is no profit, there is no optional content.

If tomorrow we woke up and the Mogstation was gone, you may feel like you are getting "the full package" because there is no longer anything behind a paywall.
But truth is, that you are simply missing on all that extra paid content, that now is no longer there.

As a non cash-shopping player, you are getting exactly the same amount of content that you would have gotten if there was no Mogstation.

Exactly, non cash shop players, imo seem to think anything in the mog station is some kind of "missed" content to their play experience, its OPTIONAL, but I guess that word doesn't register to some

[Cakekizyy]

Logic is flawed... So if they added a fight against a random FF character like Cloud, beat him and you get glamour items. The only way to participate is with an item purchased at the mogstation you would say "They're just offering me some extra... for a price" ?

EQ had something similar. Dungeon you could only enter with a key bought with Station Cash.

[Dustytome]

You seem to think that everything that´s behind a paywall would have been otherwise put into the game in another fashion when the truth is that without the extra profit, it may simply never have been made to begin with.

The fact of the matter is, none of us actually know how square handles this. It could be that someone is specifically making mounts for the cash shop. It could also be that the same team is making all the assets and someone is coming through and cherry picking for the cash shop. It's equally possible that it would have been made regardless of the cash shop, but square has seen that people are willing to fork over extra cash so they're gleefully taking it. They have every right to do so and as a business it's somewhat smart. For those like me that get irritated by what we perceive to be double dipping however, it gradually starts cutting the wick shorter each time.