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    Super' Mario
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    Job Tweak Suggestions Tank Roles

    Hello there, I made a post giving my idea of future DPS tweaks so I also wanted to give my opinion on Tanks & Healers as well. Tell me what you think please.

    Warrior:
    Heavy Swing - TP cost been reduced to 60 TP.
    Overpower - Has increased Enmity.

    Paladin:
    Cover - Now has it's cooldown decreased to 90 seconds.
    Flash - Has increased Enmity.

    Dark Knight:
    Living Dead - During the Walking Dead effect, HP only needs to be 50% restored before the effect ends. Also have an icon above the Tank or certain animation to let healers be more aware of the walking dead debuff phase.
    Unleash - Has increased Enmity.
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    Last edited by Super_Smiley; 08-06-2016 at 01:12 PM.

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    Will Brannigan
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    Excalibur
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    Paladin Lv 80
    Why increase AOE enmity? Also, Warrior already has infinite TP. If anything, they should increase some of their costs (they shouldn't though TP is stupid). I guess Cover at 90 second duration would mean that the one time per raid tier you get to use it, it comes off cooldown slightly faster.
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    Anienai Talenca
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    Zalera
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    Marauder Lv 100
    PLD:

    Rush to Judgement - Paladin rushes forward with shield raised blocking and redirecting a % of melee, ranged, or magic attacks for 6 secs. Increased enmity while in ShO stance.
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    Lynn Nuvestrahl
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    Enmity upgrades aren't needed.

    PLD:
    Flash is now replaced with an actual AoE attack that does 100 potency damage per cast.
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    Lythia Norvaine
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    Gilgamesh
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kitfox View Post
    Flash is now replaced with an actual AoE attack that does 100 potency damage per cast.
    One major problem with this is that MP isn't actually a resource that you are required to manage on PLD. At the moment, the limiting factor on Flash's use is the fact that it costs you dps to use. If you take that away, it becomes free to spam wantonly, as there's no punishment for bottoming out like there is for WAR or DRK. It's also intrinsically cheaper than Unleash, the spell that you are copying.

    PLD does need a better AoE toolkit, but the skills should probably be TP based if you want them to be resource limited. If you wanted to introduce in an MP based AoE move like say Banish III, there would need to be some other limiting cost (i.e. cast time) to offset its use. You could then perhaps tie that in to block procs to shorten cast times.
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    Sarcatica Lin
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    Dark Knight Lv 70
    DRK/WAR don't need increased enmity. WAR doesn't have issue with TP, PLD/DRK do. Cover needs to block all types of damage, not a CD decrease (as of now, it's a really niche usage). Living Dead is a QoL but not needed. If you are discussing about LD, might as well drag Holmgang in too since they are under the same category.
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    Lythia Norvaine
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    Holmgang doesn't kill you when the effect ends. We've learned to work around LD, but that doesn't mean that 3.2's stat re-balancing didn't have a significant adverse effect on the skill.

    I'd like to see Runic from FF6 implemented as the magical counterpart to Cover (i.e. redirect next spell to yourself, gain MP based on its cost).
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    Lynn Nuvestrahl
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyth View Post
    One major problem with this is that MP isn't actually a resource that you are required to manage on PLD. At the moment, the limiting factor on Flash's use is the fact that it costs you dps to use. If you take that away, it becomes free to spam wantonly, as there's no punishment for bottoming out like there is for WAR or DRK. It's also intrinsically cheaper than Unleash, the spell that you are copying.

    PLD does need a better AoE toolkit, but the skills should probably be TP based if you want them to be resource limited. If you wanted to introduce in an MP based AoE move like say Banish III, there would need to be some other limiting cost (i.e. cast time) to offset its use. You could then perhaps tie that in to block procs to shorten cast times.
    Just increase the MP cost a little bit if it's a problem. You still don't want to constantly bottom out to be able to switch Oaths and what not.
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    Advent Shadowsoul
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    Zalera
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    Dark Knight Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Kitfox View Post
    Just increase the MP cost a little bit if it's a problem. You still don't want to constantly bottom out to be able to switch Oaths and what not.
    iirc flash uses more mp than unleash
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    Lynn Nuvestrahl
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    Quote Originally Posted by ADVSS View Post
    iirc flash uses more mp than unleash
    Unleash costs 795 mp or 11,5% of the mp pool.
    Flash costs 707 mp or 13,6% of the mp pool.
    (no party bonuses)
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