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    Quote Originally Posted by Welsper59 View Post
    That went right out the door when people realized some folks couldn't accept the fact that, ever since the Lightning event, the "alternate dimensions" excuse for promotional content opened Pandora's Box (for lore/immersion).
    Except they all, to some extent, made sense (for both games). Shantotto learned how to travel dimensions thanks to a spell she accidentally learned in FFXI, at the very beginning of 'A Shantotto Ascension.' Dragon Quest X was mostly a reference, using XIV races for a monster (for ze puff puff), leaving golems being the only thing from the DQ franchise. Iroha is a questionable one, as it's unclear on just when she leaves XI to enter XIV (and it makes less sense the more I think on it). Lightning is also a questionable one... was she thrown into Eorzea by Etro? Bhunivelze? or was it all a 'dream' to her? (the event takes place between XIII-2 and Lightning Returns, when she was crystallised).

    What is the story with the Yokai? How'd something that isn't even from a SE game/franchise wind up in Eorzea (I don't plan on doing the event since it's just Atma farm 3.35. I've done enough of that already)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nestama View Post
    Except they all, to some extent, made sense (for both games). Shantotto learned how to travel dimensions thanks to a spell she accidentally learned in FFXI, at the very beginning of 'A Shantotto Ascension.' Dragon Quest X was mostly a reference, using XIV races for a monster (for ze puff puff), leaving golems being the only thing from the DQ franchise. Iroha is a questionable one, as it's unclear on just when she leaves XI to enter XIV (and it makes less sense the more I think on it). Lightning is also a questionable one... was she thrown into Eorzea by Etro? Bhunivelze? or was it all a 'dream' to her? (the event takes place between XIII-2 and Lightning Returns, when she was crystallised).

    What is the story with the Yokai? How'd something that isn't even from a SE game/franchise wind up in Eorzea (I don't plan on doing the event since it's just Atma farm 3.35. I've done enough of that already)?
    Well that's kind of why immersion and, thus, RP does not have to always need straight up explanation. Did we need a specific explanation as to why the Golems were there with the DQ event? Nope. Does it really need to be an SE game or affiliated to them to be able to believe it's a thing? That's an exceptionally high level of bias that defies the concept of immersion within a games world, not the real world.

    I haven't started the event yet, but it really doesn't matter with the use of an imagination (the very source that empowers immersion). Hell, I could just throw a reason right off the top of my head that would fit right in given lore history for these things, assuming one is not given. Unusually shaped spirits have begun pouring into Eorzea, so now someone that has been studying dimensional rifts (or maybe just super natural phenomenon) turns to you to find out why they've appeared. To start off immersion or RP, does it really need any more than that? If it does, that's not using your imagination, that's being told exactly what to think to believe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nestama View Post
    Lightning is also a questionable one... was she thrown into Eorzea by Etro? Bhunivelze? or was it all a 'dream' to her? (the event takes place between XIII-2 and Lightning Returns, when she was crystallised).
    From what I read online and from youtube stuff, I think it was Bhunivelze doing, testing her and seeing if she had what it took to be his savior( BTW she had it and had way more than required).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Welsper59 View Post
    That went right out the door when people realized some folks couldn't accept the fact that, ever since the Lightning event, the "alternate dimensions" excuse for promotional content opened Pandora's Box (for lore/immersion). If someone is concerned about immersion, that means they're of the RP mind. That doesn't mean they RP, just that they are of a similar mind for enjoyment. As someone of the RP mind, if they can't use their imagination a little to accept an already explained occurrence within the games world, they're not exactly a shining example of there objectively being a problem with immersion. At least within this game, they're not... since you RP/immerse within the official content and lore.
    Don't forget that event where Yoshi P and various staff showed up as npcs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Voltyblast View Post
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    No offense but all of that isn't comparable to a different ip popping in, especially one with a vast difference in style. The addition of this content doesn't bother me as much as it being an advertisement campaign.
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    It's Atma 3.0 yippie .. but really my only bummed out bit of it is:

    No I cant use my chocobo... Chocobo need exp too... Chocobo wants rank 20... Chocobo sad.
    I dream of a world where Minions and Chocobos can live free together.
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    I love when the immersion is broken, that's why I have my character worship a character that isn't really in the XIV universe, I have him sacrifice crystals to try maker a primal out of her( It's Lightning btw, I LOVE HER!!!!!)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Powe View Post
    I love when the immersion is broken, that's why I have my character worship a character that isn't really in the XIV universe, I have him sacrifice crystals to try maker a primal out of her( It's Lightning btw, I LOVE HER!!!!!)
    Too bad we don't have something like the mannequins in XI. Furniture items that are modeled after the races (both sexes avail), have a selection of poses, and that you can equip anything to, regardless of it not being possible elsewhere (e.g. Equipping a sword and board to a mannequin wearing BLM AF head (died) and WHM AF body. Given the capabilities of this game, it'd be nice if you could take it a bit further and maybe add hair/color options... I'd guess that would help you erect a shrine.
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    I don't roleplay, but I like lore. Most of the cameo events in the past have followed the lore of both games involved (it's why we'll never see Sephiroth, Kefka, etc. They're dead, thus will never appear). Does Yo-Kai Watch do the same? is all I'm asking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nestama View Post
    I don't roleplay, but I like lore. Most of the cameo events in the past have followed the lore of both games involved (it's why we'll never see Sephiroth, Kefka, etc. They're dead, thus will never appear). Does Yo-Kai Watch do the same? is all I'm asking.
    It seems that in this event the yokai originated or at the least were discovered in doma, the event npc is a male raen au ra, it is fitting considering the fact that "demons/yokai" in several eastern cultures range fron helpful-harmful rather than simply being malicious, they are newly introduced to Eorzea, so overall in short yes there is lore and it fits well enough for a fun side event.

    I would likely compare how much it fits to hildi and other such quests however XD I found it sort of amusing that the seedseers freaked over these.. things suddenly appearing in the twelveswood and sealed it in an allag soul jar..
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    Viera looks amazing
    Hrothgar looks amazing
    Shadowbringers looks amazing
    Everything looks amazing
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    .....
    So obviously it's all a trap and the world is factually coming to an end..

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