BeastmasterXIV - Repeating XI's mistakes

[indira]

beastmaster will be godlike in ffxiv since you can solo on any job, now if you have a pet mob will drop alot faster.

What I get from this post is that the WoW implementation of Hunter is a better Beastmaster than FFXI's BST.

thats an archer with a pet >.> they have to mix it up more than steal wow's design

[Coglin]

I am also a fan of MMO pet classes. One Idea I can think of to assist is the OPs issues, is perhaps to have a stat that modifies the charm spells success rate, and/or modify the charm duration, rewarding those who sacraficed stats that could be benefitial in other areas to become stronger in there pet abilites.

Another option would be for the class to have pet buffs, so once you charmed a pet, you could cast a buff to raise its offencive or defencive capabilities.

Another issue I see in alot of MMOs with pet classes, is players summon or aquire there pet, go to an area and parke near on aggro mob that there pet can solo and afk while the mooch whatever low amount of XP that can aquire them. Some have set it so that your pet is debuffed unless a spell is cast on it regularly to maintain is strength, this minimized AFKing issues.

I am not sure how much of what I suggest could be properly applied to FFXIV, but it is just a few rough ideas.

[Kailok]

while I did enjoy the XI version of beastmaster, I agree that in this game it needs to be changed to more of a WoW/Guild Wars 2 style pet class.

1) It lets you farm pet as per your taste/preference in mob families.

(Example: You could choose an Ahriman for their petrify ability, or you could choose a tank-style mob and get a Crab)

2) It brings depth to the pet system.

3) Allows Beastmasters to become a viable option for party-playing while also still being able to solo (but pretty much everyone can solo in this game)

Agreed and liked your post. It was well thought out ^^

[Forbin]

NO on the WoW Hunter.. Yes on the FFXI.

[Charismatic]

NO on the WoW Hunter.. Yes on the FFXI.

And why, exactly?

[Felis]

How I understand it SE is planning to make Beastmaster and Summoner a Class/Job Duo. Which one is the class and which one is the job is still unclear.
I would say Beastmaster as class for solo and Summoner as job for full party raids.

edit: found it

Like one idea could be for example maybe having a beast tamer class and that job would be like a summoner type of job.

http://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/2011/10...-is-out-there/

[Keith_Dragoon]

How I understand it SE is planning to make Beastmaster and Summoner a Class/Job Duo. Which one is the class and which one is the job is still unclear.
I would say Beastmaster as class for solo and Summoner as job for full party raids.

edit: found it
http://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/2011/10...-is-out-there/

I disagree with that combo..

I believe Evoker should be the class able to summon elemental spirits to fight while Summoner being the job able to do this and bring forth the primals.

As for BST I feel Shepard (name not decided) should be the class able to charm mobs and such while Beastmaster being able to charm mobs aswell and also keep x amount of pets indefinately through the XI's jug pet system just further advanced or by taking WoW's pet stabling design and improving on that.

[Felis]

I disagree with that combo..

I believe Evoker should be the class able to summon elemental spirits to fight while Summoner being the job able to do this and bring forth the primals.

Sorry, already confirmed that Primal summon would be a free company thing, not a SMN only thing.

[Keith_Dragoon]

Sorry, already confirmed that Primal summon would be a free company thing, not a SMN only thing.

Where was this "confirmed"? I recall nothing of the sort.

[Vexerus]

Where was this "confirmed"? I recall nothing of the sort.

JP Game Watch Interview - 10/17/2011 6 of 9

編：　どういうシチュエーションで蛮神を呼ぶことを想定していますか？
吉田氏：　 好きなときで良いと思います。自分たちのフリーカンパニーでは倒せないボスを一撃必殺で「イ フリートさんやっちゃってください」という場合もあれば、PvPエリアでさんざん辛酸をなめているヘビープレーヤー集団のフリーカンパニーを「一撃でなぎ 倒してやってください」といった使い方です。ありとあらゆるものを超越していて良いと。ただし1回しか使えず、次またいずこかに現われる「イフリート」を 倒さなければならないですし、それが自分たちに回ってくるとは限らない。世界のどこかで「イフリート」が召喚されたら全ゾーンの天候が変わり、だれかが 「イフリート」を呼んだとわかる。それが「FF」がMMORPGになるという意味なのかなと僕は考えています。かなり具体的にお話させていただいています が、設計はすでに終わって仕様もだいたい決まっているので、あとはサーバーが出来上がり次第作っていくだけです。
GameWatch - Whats your idea on what type of situation can you summon primals?
YoshiP - I think it’s OK to call whenever you like. When you can’t kill the boss in a free company using it as a final card asking “Ifrit beat the crap out of it” or in PvP area taking those heavy (hardcore) players always beating everyone up “Please take them down with one shot”.
It’s OK to go overboard. However you can only use it once and you don’t know when you can kill the next Ifrit and it doesn’t mean that card will come to you next time. When Ifrit gets summoned somewhere it will change the weather of all zones and you can tell someone summoned Ifrit. I think that be FF like MMORPG. It’s just general talk but we have the structure laid out and system is pretty much set so once the server is made we just need to build it.

編：　精霊を呼び出せる召喚士というジョブも追加される？
吉田氏：　いずれ実装します。ペットユーザーというのは、MMORPGのクラスでは花形でもありますし。例えば「カーバンクル」は召喚士が呼べる召喚獣です。しかし「イフリート」や「ガルーダ」や「リヴァイアサン」、「オーディン」は蛮神であるというわけです。
GameWatch - Job Summoner where you can summon spirits will also be implemented?
YoshiP - We will eventually implement. Pet users are star in MMORPG class. For example carbuncle is a summon a summner can call however “Ifrit” or “Garuda” or “Leviathan” or “Odin” are gods.