Confusion: Archer to Bard? Where is the Ranger Job?

[elreed]

Well imo ranger will be there maybe in the 2nd wave, might be as someone said earlier like a hunter with a pet, new MMO's use this kind of class lately, im hoping that with musketeer and archer we'll see this job, but i dont think that will be as powerful as rng in XI because of the pet, but who knows....

[indira]

we dont know everything yet they just gave us a taste, it would be WTF to not have a ranger at atleast we'll be getting 7 more jobs when 1.21 hits.

they should do 2 jobs per class for different play styles.

pug = monk
gla = paladin
arc = bard >.>
lnc = dragoon

possible:
thm = blm ?
cnj = whm ?
mrd = warrior?

[Anonymoose]

we dont know everything yet they just gave us a taste, it would be WTF to not have a ranger at atleast we'll be getting 7 more jobs when 1.21 hits.

they should do 2 jobs per class for different play styles.

You can feel free to take away the question marks; the rest is right. While I wish that a single class could unlock multiple jobs, and while Yoshida-san said there are no plans at all for ever having anything other than a 1-to-1 ratio at this time, I still can't bring myself to even consider it an option. I think it'd be really great to take a little more of the grind out of having battle options, but... this is an MMO we're playing here.

They may have taken the grind out of Jobs because role and weapon have always skilled up in different ways, but I'm not sure how much grind I have faith in the team removing. Best case scenario, I can see a quest somewhere Rank 75~99 that lets you use the job on other select weapons... which would be kind of a disappointment (but still a liiittle more dynamic).

[Lionheart]

I don't know exactly how is going to be the Job system. I suppose the Job will be a sort of role of the class in the party (Yoshi called it Specialization) .
ATM they're going to introduce only a job per class, however class Archer ==means==> Uses Bow Job => is how to use the bow
Archer may be Ranger in the future playng a high range DD, bard will a support/buffer/debuff etc.
So don't worry, bard will be the first of a list of specializations for Bowsman class

I'll keep playing the game with this hope since they just killed my fav class in rpg... there's something I don't get tho...
GLD->PLD
PUG->MNK
MRD->WAR
LNC->DRG
so far so good everything seems so natural I don't even know if people need to ask about these classes
CNJ->WHM
THM->BLM
ok someone argued here and I can't blame them but hey if you wanted to be BLM but got levels CNJ cheer! You can still be a BLM
ARC->RNGhmmm... I mean->BRD
wait what? Why everyone gets their fav job role but I can have ranged dps job?

So I think here's the real question bugging every ranged dps fan... why?

[Firon]

I'll keep playing the game with this hope since they just killed my fav class in rpg... there's something I don't get tho...
GLD->PLD
PUG->MNK
MRD->WAR
LNC->DRG
so far so good everything seems so natural I don't even know if people need to ask about these classes
CNJ->WHM
THM->BLM
ok someone argued here and I can't blame them but hey if you wanted to be BLM but got levels CNJ cheer! You can still be a BLM
ARC->RNGhmmm... I mean->BRD
wait what? Why everyone gets their fav job role but I can have ranged dps job?

So I think here's the real question bugging every ranged dps fan... why?

Except brd can range DD and buff the pt <.<

[Lionheart]

Except brd can range DD and buff the pt <.<

nice joke

[Bahn]

After reading through many posts, I have only seen a handful of logical ones. The rest of them are usually angry archers.

As someone said around pages 5-8, Ranged Melee DPS has been flawed in just about all modern MMOs.

The trend is this:
1. NEW MMO made.
2. Many people pick the bow using class
3. The bow class is op because of kiting, ranged skills, high dps, and LOW RISK.
4. DEVS nerf the ranged class because they realized the lack of risk is not proportionate to the dps
5. people cry
6. people cry some more
7. they buff them a little
8. the class is still lack luster but people have accepted it
9. overall nothing was really done

So if every MMO screws up this ranged DPS trope, where can we find a game where ranged DPS IS balanced? Does it even exist? Or are you saying it's impossible to balance and ranged DPS classes will always be an afterthought that all people except the most stubborn of players will stop using?

I know obviously you're speaking from experience from the tone of your post, but at the same time I just find it puzzling that no MMO has gotten it right - it seems like a complete waste of time and effort for MMOs to even make a ranged class if that is the case.

[Physic]

depending on the strength of buffs, bard could still be high DD.
They will probably rollback or alter some of the changes so as to put more of a spike damage focus on archer, they will however be not the most damage overall, but now once you add bards attack and acurracy buff, they will probably be on par with most other jobs, HOWEVER they will not be the most dmg in the party because they are giving thier buff to everyone, Which in reality, if it plays that way makes them the most useful DD in the game. because thier raw numbers are pretty close to everyone else, but they boost everyone else in the party.

On a side note they really didnt make bard very complex, looks like it just gets buff all skills, and you barely have to think about/manage the bard aspect.

[weeble]

brd refresh and tp whore? sounds fun though but i think i will stick with con as my main it has the dispel and i like that more. though classes are diff from ffxi i like very busy classes with the least amount of time inbetween each move. /fun.

[Lionheart]

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